Bruckner's Abbey

[Cato]

16 out of 16 5-star reviews on Amazon have convinced me: I need to have the original 1872 version!

[Sergeant Rock]

Didn't Young do that version too?

She did, and in an amazing coincidence she takes exactly as long as Tintner: 71:22 


Sarge

[Scarpia]

She did, and in an amazing coincidence she takes exactly as long as Tintner: 71:22 

Notice the appearance of 22, 7 and 1 in the timing.  Clearly Bruckner intended this symphony to symbolize π since 22/(7x1) ≈ π.  This is obvious since two different recordings of the symphony came up to the same total time, which can't be a coincidence.  This is also solves the mystery of the dedication, since Bruckner dedicated it to Wagner, who he believe was the most perfect composer, and the circle is the only perfect geometrical figure, and π is derived from the circle.  Thank god that more than 100 year old mystery has finally been put to rest!   0:)

[Sergeant Rock]

Notice the appearance of 22, 7 and 1 in the timing.  Clearly Bruckner intended this symphony to symbolize π since 22/(7x1) ≈ π.  This is obvious since two different recordings of the symphony came up to the same total time, which can't be a coincidence.  This is also solves the mystery of the dedication, since Bruckner dedicated it to Wagner, who he believe was the most perfect composer, and the circle is the only perfect geometrical figure, and π is derived from the circle.  Thank god that more than 100 year old mystery has finally been put to rest!   0:)

This also explains why Bruckner nicknamed the Second, Das Mysterium   

Sarge

P.S. Actually it's the Third that's dedicated to Wagner...but Bruckner did give him the choice between the Second and Third.

Sarge

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

This also explains why Bruckner nicknamed the Second, Das Mysterium   

Sarge

P.S. Actually it's the Third that's dedicated to Wagner...but Bruckner did give him the choice between the Second and Third.

Sarge

Wagner was never one to eat humble Pi (as I wrote elsewhere...).

[DavidW]

16 out of 16 5-star reviews on Amazon have convinced me: I need to have the original 1872 version!

Just wanted to say that is a good recording.  My favorite of the Tintner ones I've heard.

[eyeresist]

Also

W=23
A = 1
G = 7

N =14
E = 5
R =18

23(W) - 1(A) = 22, over 7 (G), = Pi

...then 14(N) + 5(E) = 19 - we got that by adding two numbers, so we add 2, plus 1 for 18(R),
and this result is over 18(R) - take the 1 from the 8 to get 7, and again we get ... 22/7


OPEN YOUR EYES, PEOPLE!!!

[Cato]

Okay, I have heard the Nagano CD 5 times now.



The main reason was that my brain, after hearing Jochum's recording of the Leopold Nowak revised version, kept telling me that a great many things were wrong!   

After the third hearing, I was able to assure myself that I was now in neutral mode!   0:)

Without the score of this version, it is impossible to detail things specifically: missing 4-note ornaments from certain lines, certain themes hold notes longer than in the revised version, etc.

Certainly there are some great things here which Bruckner excised, and I did not find the Wagnerian aromas in the slow movement intrusive or unidiomatic, especially since Bruckner also quotes his own Second Symphony, as if he is creating a fusion of Bruckner-a la-Wagner-a la-Bruckner.

So yes, quite a recording!  I still give the edge to the Nowak edition of the revised version of 1888/89, but this version has some fine moments.

[Cato]

So, much like with the Third Symphony, my ears had to be re-formed, so that I could accept what I was hearing with a neutral mind, rather than having my mind insist that things were wrong.

To be sure, perhaps because of my previous exercise with the Third, I found this easier.

The CD was the NAXOS Georg Tintner performance with the Irish National Symphony.

And yes, hearing this was a marvelous experience: there are a good number of things, in the Finale especially, which are most attractive, and which are (obviously) missing in the later revisions.  The liner notes in German (by a certain Teresa Raphael) remark that this original version shows how Bruckner attained "an epic breadth" in this music.

I can agree, but would add that all the symphonies attain an epic breadth to my ear, even the First Symphony.  Certainly the later ones can be considered more deeply epic because of their greater musical adventures.

[eyeresist]

I'm afraid I generally find Tinter a bore (0 and 00 excepted). It'll take a different conductor to convince me of the merits of the earlier versions.

[Brahmsian]

I'm afraid I generally find Tinter a bore

At least as far as Bruckner is concerned, I totally agree.  Even Snorrington's Bruckner is more exciting than Tintner's.

[Cato]

I'm afraid I generally find Tintner a bore (0 and 00 excepted). It'll take a different conductor to convince me of the merits of the earlier versions.

Perhaps a local library has this CD, so that you can see if it will change your mind.  I at least find it convincing.  To be sure, if Eugen Jochum    0:)   had conducted the Urfassung, perhaps it would have been even more convincing. 

Still, I was not bored by any means!

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

Neither was I. I found the Tintner Third terrific.

[eyeresist]

Perhaps a local library has this CD, so that you can see if it will change your mind.

I do have the box set.

[mahler10th]

I thought I would pop in to my favourite composers Abbey here to display this:

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This is a great disc.  There is quite a difference between this 1874 version and the later revised and third-party revised versions.  The 1874 version has many critics, who think it is much more crude than the later revisionns and I can see where they are coming from.  The 1874 is wild and wooly, Bruckner lets himself go on a gigantic exploration of Symphonic sound. 
Its the difference between a massive cake with crazy icing made for personal munching (1874) - and a perfectly rounded tasty cake for consumption by the 'proper' people (revisions.)  Well, I can have my cake and eat it  -  in this case, Inbals cooking of the original cake is the one I prefer to eat, regardless of its ... er ...wildness and uncertain preparation.

[karlhenning]

Giulini, the Ninth, Chicago . . . what's the consensus?

[Sergeant Rock]

Giulini, the Ninth, Chicago . . . what's the consensus?

I'm not sure there is one. His Vienna Ninth, though, is considered by many to be the best Ninth period. I do anyway.

Sarge

[karlhenning]

There's a 4-disc EMI box of Kid Giulini with the CSO, and there's the Bruckner Ninth in the midst, Sarge.  Offhand, sounds like a fair risk::reward profile . . . .

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[Sergeant Rock]

There's a 4-disc EMI box of Kid Giulini with the CSO, and there's the Bruckner Ninth in the midst, Sarge.  Offhand, sounds like a fair risk::reward profile . . . .

I agree.

[eyeresist]

I agree.

I don't    Giulini bores me. Slow ≠ profound.