And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[71 dB]

Bernie's programs (not just MfA) would cost an amount equal to all privately held assets in the US according to a soundbite I heard this morning. So yes, we would certainly be paying more.

According to a soundbite?? Corporate soundbite perhaps?? All the studies tell MfA saves money. The richest people would be paying more, other less.

And remember, MfA is just one of several major expansions of government control and spending that Bernie wants to foist on us.   You seem focused on health care, but the rest of his agenda is full of proposals that assume federal control is the way to go.

Well, "federal control" (tax money funded social programs) is the way to go with some issues. That's the whole point of social democracy. It's the incentives as I have said a million times, but your nutbrain head just doesn't get it.

[71 dB]

So you don't work?

None of your business!

[71 dB]

Even Fox News Thinks MSNBC's Anti-Bernie Hysteria is Ridiculous

https://www.youtube.com/v/9PKocgKjsPU

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According to a soundbite?? Corporate soundbite perhaps?? All the studies tell MfA saves money. The richest people would be paying more, other less.

Well, "federal control" (tax money funded social programs) is the way to go with some issues. That's the whole point of social democracy. It's the incentives as I have said a million times, but your nutbrain head just doesn't get it.

Did  I just not mention MfA is just part of Bernie's agenda. He has a whole list of proposals that are even worse.  The total adds up to almost $100 trillion, according to that soundbite.

Federal control does not mean spending money. Federal control means regulations that  say what can and can not be done. In other words, bureaucrats telling everyone what they can not do or what they must do. And Bernie wants to do it on all issues, not just some issues.Does the Finnish government tell people who they can or cannot sell or rent homes/apartments to, and at what price or rent amount? Or even better, tell them whom they must sell/rent to?  Bernie wants that in the US: it's the essence of his housing program. It qualifies as socialism, but I wouldn't call it democratic.

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To be fair, poor people don't run successful businesses and create jobs, the wealthy do. Do you have a job, 71 dB?

You haven't really thought this through. Lots of people who start businesses do so while they're poor. That's how — and why —they get rich (Duh!). NPR runs a weekly segment called "How I Built This" interviewing formerly poor people who now run billion dollar firms — or who have cashed out of them. For those who don't have fathers willing to give them $400,000,000 dollars in seed money through elaborate tax fraud schemes (the Trump's), being saddled with enormous student loan debt, for example, can stifle creative poor people who want to become the blessed job creators you worship.   

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Masha Geesen in the New Yorker:

WHAT BERNIE SANDERS SHOULD HAVE SAID ABOUT SOCIALISM AND TOTALITARIANISM IN CUBA
The Democratic front-runner's recent comments exposed a divide between the native-born American left and those who fled totalitarian regimes.

[71 dB]

Did  I just not mention MfA is just part of Bernie's agenda. He has a whole list of proposals that are even worse.  The total adds up to almost $100 trillion, according to that soundbite.

Federal control does not mean spending money. Federal control means regulations that  say what can and can not be done. In other words, bureaucrats telling everyone what they can not do or what they must do. And Bernie wants to do it on all issues, not just some issues.Does the Finnish government tell people who they can or cannot sell or rent homes/apartments to, and at what price or rent amount? Or even better, tell them whom they must sell/rent to?  Bernie wants that in the US: it's the essence of his housing program. It qualifies as socialism, but I wouldn't call it democratic.

The people I follow have not talked about Bernie's housing plans so I don't know much about them, but what you say sounds right-wing fearmongering.

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The people I follow have not talked about Bernie's housing plans so I don't know much about them, but what you say sounds right-wing fearmongering.

And pretty much everything you say sounds like left-wing fearmongering. So we're equal!

[71 dB]

And pretty much everything you say sounds like left-wing fearmongering. So we're equal!

Fearmongering? This is about hope. Hope for better tomorrow.

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None of your business!

It's alright as Bernie will lose and you can go back to your Elgar avatar soon enough.

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Fearmongering? This is about hope. Hope for better tomorrow.

Said the Socialist.

[BasilValentine]

Masha Geesen in the New Yorker:

WHAT BERNIE SANDERS SHOULD HAVE SAID ABOUT SOCIALISM AND TOTALITARIANISM IN CUBA
The Democratic front-runner's recent comments exposed a divide between the native-born American left and those who fled totalitarian regimes.

Thanks for that. Masha Gessen is brilliant and should be on Bernie's reading list.

[71 dB]

It's alright as Bernie will lose and you can go back to your Elgar avatar soon enough.

I'm planning to go back to the Elgar avatar regardless of the election result.

Bernie got the most votes on the three first states and is getting closer to Biden in SC polls and you look at that and go "Bernie is losing!"  We don't know for sure who wins the election, but at the moment it certainly doesn't look like Bernie is losing for sure, is it? As I explained earlier, moderate voters are different from establishment and you are totally brainwashed by the establishment.

Said the Socialist.

I don't call myself a socialist (On left-right axis I'm a social democrat who votes for the Finnish Green Party), but even if I was so what?

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I'm planning to go back to the Elgar avatar regardless of the election result.

I don't call myself a socialist (On left-right axis I'm a social democrat who votes for the Finnish Green Party), but even if I was so what?

Bernie Sanders being your avatar tells me everything I need to know about you and your political leanings and I think it's moronic how you're so worried about American politics, because they don't affect you one iota nor do they concern you. Again, as I've said before, you really need to stick to music.

[71 dB]

Bernie Sanders being your avatar tells me everything I need to know about you and your political leanings and I think it's moronic how you're so worried about American politics, because they don't affect you one iota nor do they concern you. Again, as I've said before, you really need to stick to music.

American politics does affect me alot, because the US is THE superpower in the World so that it's actions affect the damn whole World! Even if it didn't, I find american politics interesting and it's not your business whether I follow it or not.

I don't hide my political leanings. Social democracy is the most successul political agenda in the World so I can be proud of being part of it. Maybe it's you who should stick to music as you are clearly triggered by Bernie's successful campaign.  0:)

[Ratliff]

You haven't really thought this through. Lots of people who start businesses do so while they're poor. That's how — and why —they get rich (Duh!). NPR runs a weekly segment called "How I Built This" interviewing formerly poor people who now run billion dollar firms — or who have cashed out of them. For those who don't have fathers willing to give them $400,000,000 dollars in seed money through elaborate tax fraud schemes (the Trump's), being saddled with enormous student loan debt, for example, can stifle creative poor people who want to become the blessed job creators you worship.

Quite so, the current tax and regulatory structure benefits entrenched, large firms and creates hurdles for startups, small firms and people who are starting out. Economic dynamism has decreased across the U.S. since the early 1990s, as tax on corporations and high incomes have been dramatically reduced. The tax cuts enacted during the last three years were supposed to spur business investment, instead it seems to have simply benefited near monopoly firms and given them more power to suppress competition.

https://ig.ft.com/us-economic-dynamism/
https://hbr.org/2018/03/is-lack-of-competition-strangling-the-u-s-economy

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American politics does affect me alot, because the US is THE superpower in the World so that it's actions affect the damn whole World! Even if it didn't, I find american politics interesting and it's not your business whether I follow it or not.

I don't hide my political leanings. Social democracy is the most successul political agenda in the World so I can be proud of being part of it. Maybe it's you who should stick to music as you are clearly triggered by Bernie's successful campaign.  0:)

Bernie's successful campaign? Social democracy? Give me a break. There's nothing wrong with taking an interest in American politics, but the fact that you've become possessed by it to where it's your sole contribution to this forum makes me think that you're not doing too well mentally.

[71 dB]

Bernie's successful campaign? Social democracy? Give me a break. There's nothing wrong with taking an interest in American politics, but the fact that you've become possessed by it to where it's your sole contribution to this forum makes me think that you're not doing too well mentally.

Perhaps I wouldn't need to post so much about US politics if people here weren't so ignorant. Bernie's campaign has been very successful. So has social democracy.

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Perhaps I wouldn't need to post so much about US politics if people here weren't so ignorant. Bernie's campaign has been very successful. So has social democracy.

Yeah, we're all ignorant and you're only intelligent person posting. Gotcha!

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Yeah, we're all ignorant and you're only intelligent person posting. Gotcha!

Not all members here write ignorant stuff (about US politics), but amazingly many do. I am surprised how many here doesn't seem to understand the rise of populist left in the US and how regular people are totally ready and even demanding changes that are based on lefty ideology.

I don't know everything and I am willing to learn more when the facts prove me wrong I admit it. I am arrogant because people here have horrible attitude (foreigners can't know US politics/lefty youtubers lie etc. nonsense).