And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

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#BREAKING: Iowa Dems PULL #IowaCaucus Results After Giving BERNIE SANDERS Votes to Steyer & Patrick

https://www.youtube.com/v/GKbjWQcLVCQ

What a $HITHOLE OLIGARCHY COUNTRY !!!

Even Team Biden Questions the results. This was RIGGED for Buttigieg and it says a lot about what kind of person Buttigieg is!
Buttigieg wanted the last polls in Iowa not released. BERNIE was leading in that poll! BUTTIGIEG rigged this so that he walked out as the winner when Bernie was AT LEAST popular vote winner! Sickening!

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92 % reporting:

Buttigieg 26.5 %
Sanders 25.6 %
Warren 18.3 %
Biden 15.9 %

[Karl Henning]

So there is nothing shady about Buttigieg donating $42k to the company developping the app they used? Why did he donate that money?
Why is there a significant difference between the Bernie campaign numbers and these released numbers? Why is Bernie 2nd dispate having most popular votes? A lot of weird things + we know Bernie is hated by the establishment and they REALLY want to stop Bernie.

Oh you're full in the Conspiracy Theory tank, aren't you?

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Oh you're full in the Conspiracy Theory tank, aren't you?

You are all ignorant morons who don't know what real democracy is living in your oligarchy! Open your eyes already!

Is it just coinsidence every fuck up and mistake benefits Buttigieg and harms Bernie?

[Madiel]

So there is nothing shady about Buttigieg donating $42k to the company developping the app they used? Why did he donate that money?
Why is there a significant difference between the Bernie campaign numbers and these released numbers? Why is Bernie 2nd dispate having most popular votes? A lot of weird things + we know Bernie is hated by the establishment and they REALLY want to stop Bernie.

If you don't understand why the popular vote is irrelevant (as it is in many of the world's electoral systems), I don't have the patience to explain it to you.

The popular vote is a statistic rolled out by people who lost to explain that they would have won a different contest with different rules.

Hillary Clinton won the national popular vote. While I'm sad she lost the election, I'm heartily sick of left leaning friends who keep rolling out this fact as if it means something. It doesn't. The only elections where the overall popular vote matters are ones where you have no subdivisions of the votes into districts or electorates. But in most elections you DO have subdivisions and each subdivision is in effect a separate contest.

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If you don't understand why the popular vote is irrelevant (as it is in many of the world's electoral systems), I don't have the patience to explain it to you.

The popular vote is a statistic rolled out by people who lost to explain that they would have won a different contest with different rules.

Hillary Clinton won the national popular vote. While I'm sad she lost the election, I'm heartily sick of left leaning friends who keep rolling out this fact as if it means something. It doesn't. The only elections where the overall popular vote matters are ones where you have no subdivisions of the votes into districts or electorates. But in most elections you DO have subdivisions and each subdivision is in effect a separate contest.

So what IS relevant? Popular vote is the thing that shows how much support candidates really have. As of now Buttigieg is leading in the number of state delegate equivalents (532) versus Bernie (513), but both are getting 11 delegates.

Buttigieg DID NOT win popular vote. Bernie did.
Buttigieg DID NOT win delegates. It's a draw with Bernie.
Buttigieg DID win state delegate equivalents. Somehow that's relevant (in beating Trump?) and he celebrates the victory in Iowa.

If the result is rigged for Buttigieg, it's possible Buttigieg didn't win even state delegate equivalents.

[André]

I wonder how you'll survive 2020...

[Karl Henning]

I wonder how you'll survive 2020...

In the Kulinski bunker.

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I wonder how you'll survive 2020...

I am very worried myself too, but the US political system is an epic lusterfuck and the future of this planet depends on it.     

[JBS]

So what IS relevant? Popular vote is the thing that shows how much support candidates really have. As of now Buttigieg is leading in the number of state delegate equivalents (532) versus Bernie (513), but both are getting 11 delegates.

Buttigieg DID NOT win popular vote. Bernie did.
Buttigieg DID NOT win delegates. It's a draw with Bernie.
Buttigieg DID win state delegate equivalents. Somehow that's relevant (in beating Trump?) and he celebrates the victory in Iowa.

If the result is rigged for Buttigieg, it's possible Buttigieg didn't win even state delegate equivalents.

No one "won" the popular vote count or the delegate count, since no one came close to the 50% mark. Bernie at best has a very slim lead for a plurality.

And if you haven't noticed, no matter what figures you use,  at least 7 out of 10 people at those caucuses voted for someone who was not Bernie.  Add his votes to Warren, and you still find over half of them voted for a moderate, and not an avowed leftist.

[Madiel]

So what IS relevant? Popular vote is the thing that shows how much support candidates really have. As of now Buttigieg is leading in the number of state delegate equivalents (532) versus Bernie (513), but both are getting 11 delegates.

Buttigieg DID NOT win popular vote. Bernie did.
Buttigieg DID NOT win delegates. It's a draw with Bernie.
Buttigieg DID win state delegate equivalents. Somehow that's relevant (in beating Trump?) and he celebrates the victory in Iowa.

If the result is rigged for Buttigieg, it's possible Buttigieg didn't win even state delegate equivalents.

See? You think how much support candidates "really have" is important. Right after I told you Hillary Clinton won the popular vote.

How many supporters is not the only factor. Who they are and where they are matter a lot too.

It's not a contest about raw numbers, any more than a tennis match is won by winning the higher number of points.

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See? You think how much support candidates "really have" is important. Right after I told you Hillary Clinton won the popular vote.

How many supporters is not the only factor. Who they are and where they are matter a lot too.

It's not a contest about raw numbers, any more than a tennis match is won by winning the higher number of points.

The election was OVER in Clinton's case. Here the primaries just started, Buttigieg is not yet the nominee is he? Bernie support is re-used in general against Trump. It's questionable if Buttigieg even won according to the latest numbers 97 % reporting:
(Total S.D.E.s)

Pete Buttigieg   26.2 %   (550)   
Bernie Sanders   26.1 %   (547)    
Elizabeth Warren   18.2 %   (381)   
Joseph R. Biden Jr.   15.8 %   (331)    
Amy Klobuchar   12.2 %   (255)    
Andrew Yang   1.0 %   (22)    
Tom Steyer   0.3 %   (7)    

Furthermore, The New York Times gives now 54 % chance for Bernie winning Iowa! So, it looks the results have been given cherry-picked and slowly on purpose to make Buttigieg number one and have his victory dance in the media for days! That's what you get paying $42k. In Finland this would be scandal of the decade. In the US it's Tuesday, apparently...

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Looks like Andrew Yang got robbed too. Yang gang believe Yang did much better than 1 %.

Progressives demand Tom Perez to resign. You are not supposed to RIG the elections to ANYONE, but let the people decide!

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Bernie Sanders claims victory in Iowa based on winning the popular vote. He says S.D.E.s are irrelevant on national level as they only determine how the Democratic party operates in Iowa. The remaining votes are from areas strong to Bernie (such as satellites) and it's possible Bernie wins even S.D.E.s in the end (Tom Perez has ordered a recount).

https://www.youtube.com/v/m63KAjt4UHo

[Ratliff]

...So, it looks the results have been given cherry-picked and slowly on purpose to make Buttigieg number one and have his victory dance in the media for days!...

That is nonsense. It nearly always happens that the reporting of votes is faster in some districts than others for practical reasons, rural vs urban, eastern vs western, other random factors, etc, and there is some drift in the contest as the tabulation progresses. You have to ask yourself about the motivation of the supposed conspirators.

"Let's make Iowa the laughing-stock of the country and completely discredit the Iowa caucus system so that we can show a small lead for Buttigieg that evaporates after a day or so when they finally finish the tabulation! Hooray!"

Can even you believe that?

Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

[JBS]

Bernie Sanders claims victory in Iowa based on winning the popular vote. He says S.D.E.s are irrelevant on national level as they only determine how the Democratic party operates in Iowa. The remaining votes are from areas strong to Bernie (such as satellites) and it's possible Bernie wins even S.D.E.s in the end (Tom Perez has ordered a recount).

https://www.youtube.com/v/m63KAjt4UHo

The real point you are apparently missing

Over 70% of those who voted, voted for someone who not was Bernie.
Over half of those who voted, voted for  a moderate. 
Only Democrats voted in that election.    IOW, the people you like represent less than half of the Democratic party, much less the entire country.

And I know you focus on health care, but Bernie has plans that actually worse than Medicare for All.    Here is his Housing plan.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/housing-all/

Which (to point out the things that might not be immediately obvious to someone who is not from the States) involves the Federal government forcibly imposing itself into local zoning and housing, rent control and evictions, matters that are now under state and local control.  He wants to expand Section 8 housing programs.  Section 8 might be better called the "Slumlord's Subsidy Program".  His talk about sustainability in housing and supporting new home buyers sound nice, until you realize that all they really do is implement under  a new name most of the stuff that led to the Real Estate Bubble and its subsequent crash.  About the only thing in that plan that isn't objectionable are his plans to expand public housing for the homeless.  Even his plans to end predatory lending aren't worth anything.  (There are more than enough laws on the books to deal with the problem.  They just aren't enforced.  This is the fault of all sectors in the political spectrum.)

All Trump has to do is to run an ad that tells voters Sanders wants to decide how much they can sell or rent their house to, and to whom they can sell it to....and it would be true to the facts....

[JBS]

This, for your information, is the headquarters of the Iowa Democratic Party

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I don't waste my time with you JBS anymore. Write whatever you like, I don't care.

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Kyle Kulinski: Bernie is now MASSIVE Favorite to be democratic nominee.

[Madiel]

Well it's in red and bold, so the other 49 states can just save us all that voting business.