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Daverz

Quote from: Mirror Image on April 27, 2021, 09:08:02 AM
His orchestral music is muddled with heavy orchestration that didn't really do the music any favors as it wasn't terribly interesting to be with.

It's a common take on Schumann's symphonies.

By I say balderdash!  Poppycock!   Tosh and rot!  Harumph! 

I love the Schumann symphonies unreservedly.  They just need a sympathetic interpreter.

TD: Boccherini: Symphony No. 3 in D major, G. 503


Brahmsian

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 27, 2021, 11:14:13 AM
Schumann
Symphony № 3 in Eb, Op. 97 « Rhenish »
Symphony № 4 in d minor, Op. 120
NY Phil
Lenny


Earlier, my feeling was that I wanted to like the Rhenish better than I did, although there is no denying that it starts out far stronger than (say) the First. Gotta hand it to Lenny, I genuinely love the symphony now.

And, you see, my favourite of the Schumann symphonies is the Spring Symphony (although it really isn't the 1st symphony).  Has been for a long time.

Brahmsian

I guess bad orchestration is something that appeals to my ears.   :D

For symphonies, I prefer Schumann to Brahms.

My favourite piano concerto and cello concerto are Schumann's.  And, his violin concerto is also a favourite, although not an outright favourite of all time (that would be Shostakovich 1st followed by Sibelius)

Daverz

Bernstein: Symphony No. 2 "Age of Anxiety"


Mirror Image

Quote from: Daverz on April 27, 2021, 11:46:24 AM
It's a common take on Schumann's symphonies.

By I say balderdash!  Poppycock!   Tosh and rot!  Harumph! 

I love the Schumann symphonies unreservedly.  They just need a sympathetic interpreter.

Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 27, 2021, 12:13:40 PM
I guess bad orchestration is something that appeals to my ears.   :D

For symphonies, I prefer Schumann to Brahms.

My favourite piano concerto and cello concerto are Schumann's.  And, his violin concerto is also a favourite, although not an outright favourite of all time (that would be Shostakovich 1st followed by Sibelius)

And as I wrote, fellas, I just don't find Schumann's symphonies to be all that interesting musically despite my reservations on his orchestration, which is a separate thought altogether and not really the underlying reason as to why I don't much care for these symphonies. I actually like Mendelssohn's symphonies more than Brahms or Schumann...so there! :P

Sergeant Rock

Franz Ignaz Beck (1734-1809) was two years younger than Franz J. Haydn and died the same year. Listening to three of the opus 3 symphonies played by La Stagione Frankfurt under Michael Schneider.




Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Mirror Image

First-Listen Tuesday continues...

Zemlinsky
Eine florentinische Tragödie, Op. 16
Deborah Voigt, Donnie Ray Albert, David Kuebler
Gürzenich Orchester Cologne
Conlon

Brian


vandermolen

Quote from: Brian on April 27, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
Number Three


A unique coupling of those two works - arguably VW's greatest symphonies, I think.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

aligreto

Miaskovsky: Symphony No. 12 Op. 35 [Svetlanov]





Others have commented already on the wonderful opening to this work. To me it is mystical. The harmonic writing is very atmospheric. Once again, he is very effective and successful in his wind writing. It is all very haunting and intense, powerful and dramatic. I like the tension filled and atmospheric middle movement with more great brass and woodwind writing. Once again I find the musical language to be very appealing. The final movement opens with that wonderful theme which is richly orchestrated. There follows a darker but equally appealing passage. The mood reverts again to the opening section in a development which gradually works its way to a fine conclusion.

Karl Henning

Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 27, 2021, 12:13:40 PM
I guess bad orchestration is something that appeals to my ears.   :D

For symphonies, I prefer Schumann to Brahms.

My favourite piano concerto and cello concerto are Schumann's.  And, his violin concerto is also a favourite, although not an outright favourite of all time (that would be Shostakovich 1st followed by Sibelius)

Well, as I posted earlier, Ray, I find no fault with his orchestration.

Quote from: Daverz on April 27, 2021, 11:46:24 AM
It's a common take on Schumann's symphonies.

By I say balderdash!  Poppycock!   Tosh and rot!  Harumph! 

I love the Schumann symphonies unreservedly.  They just need a sympathetic interpreter.

That's right. The fault is not the composer's; check the dude with the baton.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Sergeant Rock

Shostakovich Symphony No. 9, Petrenko conducting the Royal Liverpool




Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

MusicTurner

#38972
Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 27, 2021, 12:13:40 PM
I guess bad orchestration is something that appeals to my ears.   :D

For symphonies, I prefer Schumann to Brahms.

My favourite piano concerto and cello concerto are Schumann's.  And, his violin concerto is also a favourite, although not an outright favourite of all time (that would be Shostakovich 1st followed by Sibelius)

I find the Sawallisch set of the symphonies  for example having a relative lightness as regards Schumann generally, that works well, especially in the 4th and 1st Symphonies.

But then, Haitink/Concertgebouw in the Manfred Ouverture or the 3rd Symphony also have a massiveness, that fits those works well too.

I hear no clumsy heaviness in the piano concerto, on the contrary, for example with Argerich/Harnoncourt. Plenty of lyricism and energetic flight there, IMHO.

Mirror Image

Quote from: MusicTurner on April 27, 2021, 01:55:52 PM
I find the Sawallisch set of the symphonies  for example having a relative lightness as regards Schumann generally, that works well, especially in the 4th and 1st Symphonies.

But then, Haitink/Concertgebouw in the Manfred Ouverture or the 3rd Symphony also have a massiveness, that fits those works well too.

I hear no clumsy heaviness in the piano concerto, on the contrary, for example with Argerich/Harnoncourt. Plenty of lyricism and energetic flight there, IMHO.

Well, I mentioned enjoying the concerti more. ;)

Mirror Image

First-Listen Tuesday ensues...

Zemlinsky
Trio for Clarinet, Cello and Piano, Op. 3
Othmar Müller (cello), Ernst Ottensamer (clarinet), Christopher Hinterhuber (piano)





Mirror Image

NP:

Zemlinsky
Die Seejungfrau
Rundfunk-Sinfonieorchester Berlin
Chailly

Symphonic Addict

Quote from: Mirror Image on April 27, 2021, 04:18:33 PM
NP:

Zemlinsky
Die Seejungfrau
Rundfunk-Sinfonieorchester Berlin
Chailly


The best performance of this stunning work.
The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied.

Mirror Image

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on April 27, 2021, 04:33:11 PM
The best performance of this stunning work.

I like the Conlon recording, too. ;)

Symphonic Addict

Scènes de Ballet (or Ballet Suite)

Supremely beautiful composition. Pas d'action and Valse are to die for, thoroughly precious music. They took me by surprise. Préambule and Polonaise stood out as well. This is Glazunov at his best.

The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied.

André



Absorbing, fascinating. Mathias was a master of big statements in small formats.