Coronavirus thread

[prémont]

The spread of the virus has slowed down significantly in the past few days and hopes are that the expanded IC capacity will be sufficient and the use of emergency locations mentioned in the article will not be necessary.

In Denmark anesthesiologists say, that it is somewhat surprising that the time a CoVID19 patient needs respirator generally is much longer than for other similar respiratory diseases  - up to 3 - 4 weeks (CoVID19) against about 1 - 2 weeks (Influenza pneumonia) due to more severe lung affection. This may increase the need for respirators rather much. So there is still the risk, that the hospitals become overwhelmed.

[Mandryka]

In Denmark anesthesiologists say, that it is somewhat surprising that the time a CoVID19 patient needs respirator generally is much longer than for other similar respiratory diseases  - up to 3 - 4 weeks (CoVID19) against about 1 - 2 weeks (Influenza pneumonia) due to more severe lung affection. This may increase the need for respirators rather much. So there is still the risk, that the hospitals become overwhelmed.

Presumably they come off the ventilators with serious damage to lungs and other organs, assuming they survive.

As far as I can see, 15% of people who come down with COVID-19 need hospitalisation, and 30% of these need ventilation -- though I'm not sure what level of ventilation that is.

[prémont]

Presumably they come off the ventilators with serious damage to lungs and other organs, assuming they survive.

Some of them survive, a Danish physician said yesterday about 50% (I suppose this means with optimal treatment), but of course the longer time in respirator, the more serious are the sequels particularly concerning lasting lung damage.

As far as I can see, 15% of people who come down with COVID-19 need hospitalisation, and 30% of these need ventilation -- though I'm not sure what level of ventilation that is.

May be anything from nasal Oxygen (ca. one third) to intensive treatment with respirator (ca. two thirds).

So far we still not know the real number of infected persons, it is not advisable to say which fraction of these needs hospitalisation.

Something I also learned to day, is that about 75% of the patients which need respirator treatment have comorbidity, and diabetes mellitus is by far the most common of these. Preexisting lung disease seems less important.

[JBS]

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Thank you!
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[Mandryka]

I just think this is a wonderful interview with a modern hero, a very articulate doctor working in an intensive care unit in Wales

https://www.youtube.com/v/ejlbCmRJMW4&feature=emb_logo

[SimonNZ]

Boris Johnson admitted to hospital with coronavirus

"Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital due to coronavirus after suffering 10 days of symptoms including a high fever, bringing doubts about his capability to lead the response to the pandemic despite No 10 insisting it was purely precautionary.

Johnson was taken to an unnamed London hospital on Sunday after days of persistent symptoms, during which time he has been self-isolating. Last week No 10 had denied the prime minister was more seriously ill than claimed.

A Downing Street spokesperson said: "On the advice of his doctor, the prime minister has tonight been admitted to hospital for tests. This is a precautionary step, as the prime minister continues to have persistent symptoms of coronavirus 10 days after testing positive for the virus."

Officials were keen to stress that this was not an emergency admission, and that Johnson will remain in charge of government, and will be in regular touch with colleagues and civil servants."

[Pohjolas Daughter]

I just read this:  first time that I've heard of the virus going back to animals from humans....https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52177586   

From what I heard on the news, they were just being extra careful with the prime minister.  Hope that that is the case.

Best,

PD

[vandermolen]

The Queen made a very good speech on TV last night I thought. Best I have heard her deliver.

[Irons]

The Queen made a very good speech on TV last night I thought. Best I have heard her deliver.

What an inspiring woman! We are lucky to have her.

[Herman]

This doctor in the video interview emphatically says  a lot of serious patients are "in their fifties or younger".

I cannot help but notice that there is a growing debate in some areas (like the Netherlands) that we should not sacrifice the economy to save the octogenarian population.

This is a false narrative, and it just goes to show how deeply we've sunk after imbibing a toxic mix of neo-liberalism and evolutionary-bio kitsch.

[vandermolen]

What an inspiring woman! We are lucky to have her.

I agree Lol.

[Marc]

This doctor in the video interview emphatically says  a lot of serious patients are "in their fifties or younger".

I cannot help but notice that there is a growing debate in some areas (like the Netherlands) that we should not sacrifice the economy to save the octogenarian population.

This is a false narrative, and it just goes to show how deeply we've sunk after imbibing a toxic mix of neo-liberalism and evolutionary-bio kitsch.

The survival of the fittest.
The survival of the wealthiest.
The survival of the most cunning.

Let's put them in a shelter with Dr. Merkwürdigliebe.

[Mandryka]

What an inspiring woman! We are lucky to have her.

I just think it's disappointing that anyone in 2020 cares what The Queen says, and I think it's sad that the BBC give her time. Archaic, feudal, quaint . . . I suppose it still has its charm.

[Christo]

a toxic mix of neo-liberalism and evolutionary-bio kitsch.

Fully agreed. Not long ago, this idea would claim for itself the very name of Nazism (combined with other dreadful ideas). 

[vandermolen]

I just think it's disappointing that anyone in 2020 cares what The Queen says, and I think it's sad that the BBC give her time. Archaic, feudal, quaint . . . I suppose it still has its charm.

I regard a non-political Head of State as a virtue of our system and not a liability. I'm very pleased that Boris Johnson is not Head of State in the UK.

[Que]

I regard a non-political Head of State as a virtue of our system and not a liability. I'm very pleased that Boris Johnson is not Head of State in the UK.

I agree!   

Anything is better than a politician as head of state, and that definitely includes the charm of a monarchy.

Q

[Florestan]

I regard a non-political Head of State as a virtue of our system and not a liability.

Anything is better than a politician as head of state, and that definitely includes the charm of a monarchy.

Fully agreed.

[j winter]

Ya know, as a proud American, if we had anybody else in the Oval Office, I would be ready to dig out the ole Federalist Papers and argue this point until the cows come home.

The situation being what it is, I'm going to refill my coffee and go back to the morning paper.... 

[Mandryka]

Anything is better than a politician as head of state, and that definitely includes the charm of a monarchy.

Q

Why? What's wrong with an elected head of state?

The problem with HRH  I want to focus on for the moment is this. Her ideas and opinions get the oxygen of publicity, as if they count for something special because of who she is.

[Christo]

Why? What's wrong with an elected head of state?

About everything. Elected they will always show a political bias, often at the expense of minorities. With a ceremonial head of state, the very existence of this independent office means an important check & balance, the hallmark of any democracy. Non-political heads of state are often a watchdog for the rule of law & civil rights, opposite the 'democratically elected' head of government who often makes a show of them. Hungarian president Orbán would be better off with such an independent institution above him, as would most of his colleagues. Being elected is not a virtue per se: Hitler was elected and even more popular since then (at the expense of billions he robbed from tiny minorities he put in concentration camps) and so was Mussolini. The latter had at least to reckon - a bit - with the Pope, the former with no-one. Many "elected" heads of state were responsible for the worst atrocities in human history.

Even the US of A would be better off with a parliamentary system & spread responsibilities at the head of the state.