Coronavirus thread

[MusicTurner]

Probably a quite fair evaluation of today's medical briefing about #45. But the medical team seems to have lost some credibility.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1312792223428165633.html

[T. D.]

More superspreading
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/05/trump-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-tests-positive-for-coronavirus.html

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Thanks.  I saw that earlier on CNN.  Apparently, at least so far, she hasn't been experiencing any symptoms.  I did also see (same article) that three White House reporters have contacted the virus--no idea who.

PD

[T. D.]

Thanks.  I saw that earlier on CNN.  Apparently, at least so far, she hasn't been experiencing any symptoms.  I did also see (same article) that three White House reporters have contacted the virus--no idea who.

PD

The story about the reporters has been circulating for days, but I've seen no names mentioned.

[André]

The story about the reporters has been circulating for days, but I've seen no names mentioned.

From the WP:

One of three journalists who work at the White House and have tested positive for the coronavirus in the past week said that more than a week after he believes he became infected, White House staffers have not reached out to him about contact tracing.
"Nobody from the White House has said 'boo' and asked anything about where I was or who I talked to or who else I might have infected," New York Times correspondent Michael D. Shear said Monday in an interview on CNN. "And so I think that that just shows you that they're not taking it seriously, at least as it pertains to themselves.

[T. D.]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/05/cdc-revises-coronavirus-guidance-to-acknowledge-that-it-spreads-through-airborne-transmission.html

Shows what a f**g travesty the CDC has become under the Orange Pustule administration.
Just a few weeks ago the CDC released "guidance" (which no intelligent person believed) denying aerosol transmission.

[krummholz]

The story about the reporters has been circulating for days, but I've seen no names mentioned.

Nevertheless, if I was, say, Yamiche Alcindor, I would be concerned.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

These quotes from Pres. Trump (from the BBC website) made me roll my eyes:

"Mr Trump also recorded a video message, urging Americans to get back to work."

"'You're going to beat it [coronavirus],' he told them, adding: 'We're going to be out front. As your leader, I had to do that. I knew there's danger to it, but I had to do it. I stood out front, and led.'
Mr Trump also speculated: 'Now I'm better, maybe I'm immune, I don't know'".

PD

[T. D.]

These quotes from Pres. Trump (from the BBC website) made me roll my eyes:

"Mr Trump also recorded a video message, urging Americans to get back to work."

"'You're going to beat it [coronavirus],' he told them, adding: 'We're going to be out front. As your leader, I had to do that. I knew there's danger to it, but I had to do it. I stood out front, and led.'
Mr Trump also speculated: 'Now I'm better, maybe I'm immune, I don't know'".

PD

Now you'll never see masks at the White House or any Orange Pustule rallies, etc. "Fuck you, I already had it, I got antibodies!"

And...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/06/white-house-nixes-updated-fda-guidelines-on-vaccine-approval.html

"Mr. Covid" knows more than the scientists. But then the GOP denies science in general.

If no paywall, check *this* out:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-06/trump-invokes-his-own-bout-with-covid-as-voters-doubts-grow

[Pohjolas Daughter]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/06/white-house-nixes-updated-fda-guidelines-on-vaccine-approval.html

"Mr. Covid" knows more than the scientists. But then the GOP denies science in general.

If no paywall, check *this* out:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-06/trump-invokes-his-own-bout-with-covid-as-voters-doubts-grow

God help us.

[MusicTurner]

Well, doctors in Germany and Denmark find his treatment and early departure strange, highly unusual and supposedly not recommendable, based on the information they were given; I don't know if they've seen the recent balcony scene, where he obviously still had problems breathing, in spite of his claims.

[Karl Henning]

Well, doctors in Germany and Denmark find his treatment and early departure strange, highly unusual and supposedly not recommendable, based on the information they were given; I don't know if they've seen the recent balcony scene, where he obviously still had problems breathing, in spite of his claims.

Dopey denial on parade.

[Que]

Well, doctors in Germany and Denmark find his treatment and early departure strange, highly unusual and supposedly not recommendable, based on the information they were given; I don't know if they've seen the recent balcony scene, where he obviously still had problems breathing, in spite of his claims.

In the Netherlands too, they are mentioning the risk of a sudden relapse.

And  they are not the only ones...

Dr Anthony Fauci, the top infectious disease expert in the US, has warned that US president Donald Trump's condition could worsen over the coming days. 'He looks fine,' Dr Fauci told CNN's Chris Cuomo. 'The issue is that it is still early enough in the disease', Fauci said. 'Sometimes when you're five to eight days in you can have a reversal'. 

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2020/oct/06/its-still-early-anthony-fauci-warns-trumps-condition-could-reverse-video

But Trump doesn't listen to Fauci anyway... 

[T. D.]

The superspreader chronicles continue:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54441986

Covid: White House aide tests positive as military leaders quarantine

Covid-19 is spreading further among those close to President Trump, with White House advisor Stephen Miller and a senior military official infected.

Mr Miller, who has been self-isolating for the past five days, confirmed he had contracted coronavirus on Tuesday.

Top US General Mark Milley and other military leaders are also quarantining after Coast Guard official Admiral Charles Ray tested positive.

Other officials are self-isolating "out of an abundance of caution".

Adm Ray, vice commandant of the US Coast Guard, is said to be experiencing mild symptoms.

And there are likely many more cases that the Orange Pustule administration has managed to suppress.

[T. D.]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-06/pence-wants-no-plexiglass-for-his-side-during-debate-with-harris

Vice President Mike Pence doesn't want a plexiglass divider for his side of the stage during Wednesday's vice-presidential debate with Kamala Harris, according to his aides.

Marc Short, Pence's chief of staff, told the Washington Post that their team does not view plexiglass dividers as medically necessary, given that the two debaters will be more than 12 feet apart. Short, who has led Pence's debate preparations, told the Post that if Harris "wants it, she's more than welcome to surround herself with plexiglass if that makes her feel more comfortable."

Katie Miller, a spokesperson for Pence, confirmed Short's comments to the Post. She did not respond to several subsequent messages asking for further detail.

Sabrina Singh, a Harris spokesperson said the Democratic vice-presidential nominee will respect the measures recommended by the Cleveland Clinic, which is advising the Commission on Presidential Debates on precautions against infection by the coronavirus.

"If the Trump administration's war on masks has now become a war on safety shields, that tells you everything you need to know about why their Covid response is a failure," Singh said.

[T. D.]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/07/trump-advisor-corey-lewandowski-spotted-without-mask-after-coronavirus-concern.html

Trump advisor Corey Lewandowski spotted at football game without mask after saying he would self-isolate due to coronavirus concern

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-10-07/trump-and-covid-inside-the-infected-president-s-ill-advised-trip-to-bedminster

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/07/trump-coronavirus-buzzfeed-pulls-white-house-reporter-after-aides-dont-wear-masks.html

BuzzFeed News pulled its political reporter out of the White House press pool on Wednesday.
Trump administration aides in the facility have "largely not worn masks" or abided by other basic coronavirus protections, the news site said.
BuzzFeed's decision to withdraw journalist Kadia Goba came after photos showed White House aides standing outside the White House not wearing masks.

[Mandryka]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/07/trump-advisor-corey-lewandowski-spotted-without-mask-after-coronavirus-concern.html

Trump advisor Corey Lewandowski spotted at football game without mask after saying he would self-isolate due to coronavirus concern

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-10-07/trump-and-covid-inside-the-infected-president-s-ill-advised-trip-to-bedminster

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/07/trump-coronavirus-buzzfeed-pulls-white-house-reporter-after-aides-dont-wear-masks.html

You see, without people self isolating all the test and trace in the world is worthless. And no western government wants to either support or coerce people into doing it. They want people to do it voluntarily even though it's hard, it costs, and they may not even be contagious, so it could all be for nothing. I think this is unrealistic.


This is IMO, a major elephant in the room and it could well be the reason we're all doomed, doomed!!!!!!!

[MusicTurner]

In the Netherlands too, they are mentioning the risk of a sudden relapse.

And  they are not the only ones...

Dr Anthony Fauci, the top infectious disease expert in the US, has warned that US president Donald Trump's condition could worsen over the coming days. 'He looks fine,' Dr Fauci told CNN's Chris Cuomo. 'The issue is that it is still early enough in the disease', Fauci said. 'Sometimes when you're five to eight days in you can have a reversal'.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2020/oct/06/its-still-early-anthony-fauci-warns-trumps-condition-could-reverse-video

But Trump doesn't listen to Fauci anyway... 

Some say that he'll probably need a similar, strong treatment in a few weeks; that the alleged antibodies are not his own, but the result of a massive, sudden medication with them, making the doctor's statement incomplete, and the future uncertain; that he hasn't been 'cured'.
https://twitter.com/florian_krammer/status/1313895401380954112

He is now promising the same treatment 'for free' for all Americans, 'distributed by the military', in a video, apparently in three parts, and not with the breathing problems of the balcony scene
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-donald-trump-promises-to-make-the-covid-19-treatment-he-had-free-for-all-americans-12098760

[T. D.]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-07/white-house-security-official-contracted-covid-19-in-september

A top White House security official, Crede Bailey, is gravely ill with Covid-19 and has been hospitalized since September, according to four people familiar with his condition.

The White House has not publicly disclosed Bailey's illness. He became sick before the Sept. 26 Rose Garden event President Donald Trump held to announce his Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett that has been connected to more than a dozen cases of the disease.
A White House spokesman declined to comment on Bailey. He is in charge of the White House security office, which handles credentialing for access to the White House and works closely with the U.S. Secret Service on security measures throughout the compound.


More superspreading:

A Top Marine Officer Tests Positive for Virus
The assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, General Gary L. Thomas, has tested positive for the coronavirus, a spokesman for the Marines said on Wednesday.
"He had been in self-quarantine since Tuesday, Oct. 6, out of an abundance of caution following notification of close contact with a person who later tested positive for the virus," the spokesman, Captain Joseph Butterfield, said in a statement.


"He is experiencing mild symptoms, but otherwise is feeling well," Butterfield added.

Several members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, including General Mark Milley, the top American military officer, are also in self quarantine after the Coast Guard's vice commandant tested positive for the virus.

[Que]

Time for some good news!

Coronavirus: How pandemic sparked European cycling revolution (BBC)

Of course here in the Netherlands everybody already bikes...
Though even here there has been an considerable increase in biking. People now buy electric bikes to cover longer distances and replace bus and short train rides.

Get ready for cleaner, quieter, healthier and safer cities that are more pleasant to live in.

Q