Coronavirus thread

[Florestan]

I think in the mind of the general public there is way too much focus on the mortality rate, which is very low if you are under 70, and too little attention for the possible long term side effects.

If you recover from the flu, you're generally fine and as before.
If you recover from COVID, even if you didn't need to be admitted to hospital, you might suffer from chronic fatigue, significantly diminished lung capacity and all kinds of neurological issues. And suddenly you are in a risk category for getting a stroke at some point... even if you weren't before.

Q

This is my understanding as well. Seems like the exact opposite of "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger."   

[Karl Henning]

I think in the mind of the general public there is way too much focus on the mortality rate, which is very low if you are under 70, and too little attention for the possible long term side effects.

If you recover from the flu, you're generally fine and as before.
If you recover from COVID, even if you didn't need to be admitted to hospital, you might suffer from chronic fatigue, significantly diminished lung capacity and all kinds of neurological issues. And suddenly you are in a risk category for getting a stroke at some point... even if you weren't before.

Q

Yes.

[Karl Henning]

Oh, Lawd!

For psychics, a year like no other: 'Everybody wants to know what's coming'

[SimonNZ]

Heh. Had to find and read that:

For psychics, a year like no other: 'Everybody wants to know what's coming'
Hopefuls search for certainty in plexiglass palm reading, tarot cards at home and advice dispensed on the phone

[...]"Vague musings like these are what keep psychic-skeptics skeptical, but keep Kadosh's devotees coming back, paying $25 for a 10-minute reading, or her "covid special," $40 for 20 minutes.

She believes she inherited her abilities from her mother, a healer who she said "did the type of thing Jesus did," such as closing Kadosh's wounds minutes after a Rehoboth Beach shark shredded her legs when she was 11.

Now Kadosh carries on her craft, and after decades of studying astrology and science and religious texts, claims she is 97 percent accurate, unlike others in her profession.

"Ninety-eight percent of them are not real or are just a gypsy trying to make money," she declared.

Her table once attracted a steady stream of stressed-out D.C. types, cash-plump tourists and people whom she described as "not human." "You probably didn't even realize we have extraterrestrials walking around now did you?" she asked.

"It takes me years, sometimes, to get people out of their darkness, but only I can do it for them, because their therapist cannot get them out of there."[...]

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Investigators believe that a man (currently then working as a pharmacist at a hospital) deliberately took out numerous vials of the Moderna vaccine out of the refrigerator so that they would no longer viable.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wisconsin-missing-moderna-vaccine-police-arrest-former-pharmacist/ar-BB1cnC3G?tblci=GiD7ENSphjsuk5OMHlIsqsymoe2qW8gV_SCDnqUZKsYtNSCC-00

[Holden]

I think in the mind of the general public there is way too much focus on the mortality rate, which is very low if you are under 70, and too little attention for the possible long term side effects.

If you recover from the flu, you're generally fine and as before.
If you recover from COVID, even if you didn't need to be admitted to hospital, you might suffer from chronic fatigue, significantly diminished lung capacity and all kinds of neurological issues. And suddenly you are in a risk category for getting a stroke at some point... even if you weren't before.

Q

Whoa, where's the evidence for this? By evidence we are talking about a directed, peer reviewed study. A few documented cases surely doesn't count as evidence. On top of that, one of the side effects of influenza, for a small group of sufferers, is reduced lung capacity. Please note that this is for a "small" group. Would that group be any bigger percentage wise for Covid?

[Que]

Whoa, where's the evidence for this? By evidence we are talking about a directed, peer reviewed study. A few documented cases surely doesn't count as evidence. On top of that, one of the side effects of influenza, for a small group of sufferers, is reduced lung capacity. Please note that this is for a "small" group. Would that group be any bigger percentage wise for Covid?

There are several reports from reliable sources to that effect.
On top of that I personally know a few ex-COVID patients that are strungling with these effects. Note they are in their late 30s/early 40s.

That's good enough for me.

Anyway, it's not my duty to convince you - you're welcome to do your own research.

Q

[BasilValentine]

Whoa, where's the evidence for this? By evidence we are talking about a directed, peer reviewed study. A few documented cases surely doesn't count as evidence. On top of that, one of the side effects of influenza, for a small group of sufferers, is reduced lung capacity. Please note that this is for a "small" group. Would that group be any bigger percentage wise for Covid?

I've read and heard (NPR) that Covid-19 has deleterious effects on blood vessel linings in some people, which can result in serious and apparently indiscriminate organ and tissue damage. People have suffered kidney and liver damage, in addition to the obvious pulmonary effects, and even brain damage. 

[Pohjolas Daughter]

There are several reports from reliable sources to that effect.
On top of that I personally know a few ex-COVID patients that are strungling with these effects. Note they are in their late 30s/early 40s.

That's good enough for me.

Anyway, it's not my duty to convince you - you're welcome to do your own research.

Q

Que,

I'm curious as to how seriously were they initially hit by the virus?  And when did they start experiencing these effects?

PD

[Pohjolas Daughter]

I've read and heard (NPR) that Covid-19 has deleterious effects on blood vessel linings in some people, which can result in serious and apparently indiscriminate organ and tissue damage. People have suffered kidney and liver damage, in addition to the obvious pulmonary effects, and even brain damage.

Did the article/story go into any depth of whether or not they had pre-existing conditions which doctors/health officials think made them susceptible to their health issues?

PD

[MusicTurner]

The problem isn't whether the virus has side effects versus those of the flu, there are reportedly plenty, it's doing enough research for valid statistics and having enough of a time span for that. Besides those mentioned, tiredness, weakened senses including tasting ability, and even psychosis are occurring as side effects, for example.

[Karl Henning]

The problem isn't whether the virus has side effects versus those of the flu, there are reportedly plenty, it's doing enough research for valid statistics and having enough of a time span for that. Besides those mentioned, tiredness, weakened senses including taste ability, and even psychosis are occurring as side effects, for example.

Yes, my friend's brother contracted the virus, and has since succumbed to psychosis.

[MusicTurner]

Yes, my friend's brother contracted the virus, and has since succumbed to psychosis.

That's sad to hear. In the course of this year, things will hopefully be moving generally to the better ...

[Pohjolas Daughter]

So sorry to hear that Karl; I hope that he gets better and soon!

PD

[Karl Henning]

Thank you both.

[Que]

Yes, my friend's brother contracted the virus, and has since succumbed to psychosis.

That's absolutely a horrible thing to happen to anyone.

[Mandryka]

Gosh, that's very bad, Karl, I had to google it and it looks like there are a few cases of psychosis after COVID but no one is clear that it's connected. Hopefully he's in good hands and it will be gotten under control soon.

[vandermolen]

Yes, my friend's brother contracted the virus, and has since succumbed to psychosis.

I'm so sorry to hear that Karl.

[MusicTurner]

Luckily, holidays were celebrated in a disciplined way here in DK, and apparently no further virus increase took place, but there's also a lot of worrying about the new, more "effective" mutations coming from the UK. This might lead to further lock-down measures very soon. And there are talks about maybe using the one-dose-only vaccine strategy. But in reality, you can't prohibit those mutations from spreading somewhat.

Provided that the vaccines will work on a bigger scale later in the year, it seems that we'll end up with between 2000 - 3500 fatalities totally here. Currently approaching 1400, and 10 - 30 daily, with some bad cases in homes for the elderly. So far, an average lock-down until January 17th. Approaching only 1% of the population having received a (first) vaccine, far from the results in say Israel or the UK, but partly related to the slower EU ongoings.

[Que]

I hope authorities around the world have learned a few lessons for the next pandemic, which might come soon and could be more dangerous:

'COVID-19 not necessarily the big one, next pandemic may be severe,' warns WHO

Q