Coronavirus thread

[geralmar]

More photos from Michigan protest:




Idiot can't spell "Whitmer".

Boston Globe article as good as any:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/chanting-e2-80-98lock-her-up-e2-80-99-michigan-protesters-in-maga-hats-demonstrated-against-whitmer-e2-80-99s-coronavirus-restrictions/ar-BB12JlnL


Regarding the blocked ambulance:

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/2020/04/16/sparrow-lansing-fire-department-no-ambulances-issues-during-protest/5145522002/

[drogulus]

     

     Children at Logumkloster District School in Denmark at their desks, at least two yards apart, on Thursday.

[JBS]

From Reason Magazine, a more detailed critique of Whitmer's order.
https://reason.com/2020/04/16/michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer-provides-a-lesson-in-what-states-shouldnt-do-to-stop-a-pandemic/

It's not sympathetic to Whitmer, but it's not too keen on the guys with guns either.

Meanwhile, Operation Gridlock, which was mounted by the Michigan Conservative Coalition inviting motorists to drive to Lansing, the state's capital, and shut down its roads, elicited a massive response Wednesday. Thousands of Michigan residents heeded the call and created an hours-long traffic snarl.

Although the motorists adhered to the social distancing rules as they were advised, the protest also brought out a lot of nasty gun-toting thugs onto the streets. Michigan Proud Boys, a supremacist outfit, blocked the intersection around a hospital. Not only did they ignore safety guidelines, exposing themselves and others to the virus just when Michigan was beginning to flatten the curve, they also waved Confederate flags and chanted "lock her up."

I italicized the reference to the hospital blockade.

[JBS]

I went now to link that Facebook post I referred to earlier, but it's not available now. The original poster either made it private or totally deleted it.

[SimonNZ]

Is it legal to hold guns while you're protesting in Michigan?

[JBS]

Is it legal to hold guns while you're protesting in Michigan?

Quite possibly probably yes. I'd have to look into the laws of Michigan to know for sure.

But it's quite possible that guns are forbidden in proximity to the state Capital.  Again, it would be a matter of Michigan law.

[Carlo Gesualdo]

A good idea to avoid corona virus , is not just was you're hands don't touch you're face, what about a warm bath in the morning and a second whit ocean big salt, it kill microbes. Simple two bath a day if you have to work, I don't but use this routine?

[Kaga2]

From Reason Magazine, a more detailed critique of Whitmer's order.
https://reason.com/2020/04/16/michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer-provides-a-lesson-in-what-states-shouldnt-do-to-stop-a-pandemic/

It's not sympathetic to Whitmer, but it's not too keen on the guys with guns either.

Good link. That sounds like the right attitude.
I did see one guy with a confederate flag with a rifle image superimposed on it.

[geralmar]

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Is it legal to hold guns while you're protesting in Michigan?
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Michigan is an "open cary" state; so the general answer is, "yes."  Places where guns are prohibited (without a concealed pistol permit) include banks, churches, courts, day care centers, hospitals, colleges, and elementary schools.  However, off-premises carry would likely be legal.  Gun advocates like to wave firearms in front of elementary schools, saying they are there to "protect the children."  Michigan is not that unusual in its gun laws.  We have a neighbor who likes to walk his dog up and down our street, a pistol strapped to his (the neighbor's, not the dog's) hip.  No idea what he is afraid of.

[Alek Hidell]

Michigan is not that unusual in its gun laws.  We have a neighbor who likes to walk his dog up and down our street, a pistol strapped to his (the neighbor's, not the dog's) hip.  No idea what he is afraid of.

Probably not afraid of anything per se. He wants something to happen so he can draw his weapon and be the "hero."

[JBS]

Probably not afraid of anything per se. He wants something to happen so he can draw his weapon and be the "hero."

Possibly. There are a certain percentage of gun owners who seem to think the probability of getting mugged is like the probability of gettin a flat tire. It doesn't happen every day, but it happens.

[Mandryka]

     

     Children at Logumkloster District School in Denmark at their desks, at least two yards apart, on Thursday.

What do they do in the playground? How many kids in a classroom? Can you fit a full class in the room like that? Do they eat their lunch 2m apart? Can they stay 2m apart in narrow school corridors?  Do adults have the protective equipment to allow them to go closer to the children?

What's the point of keeping them apart anyway? I thought that kids are asymptomatic and their role in the transmission process is unknown.

[SimonNZ]

[quote
Is it legal to hold guns while you're protesting in Michigan?


Michigan is an "open cary" state; so the general answer is, "yes."  Places where guns are prohibited (without a concealed pistol permit) include banks, churches, courts, day care centers, hospitals, colleges, and elementary schools.  However, off-premises carry would likely be legal.  Gun advocates like to wave firearms in front of elementary schools, saying they are there to "protect the children."  Michigan is not that unusual in its gun laws.  We have a neighbor who likes to walk his dog up and down our street, a pistol strapped to his (the neighbor's, not the dog's) hip.  No idea what he is afraid of.

Okay. But some of the guys in that photo have clearly gone beyond a hip holster for a pistol and seem to be holding m16s or similar. Is that still covered by "open carry"? Can you really just walk down main street with an assault rifle if you feel like it?

[MusicTurner]

What do they do in the playground? How many kids in a classroom? Can you fit a full class in the room like that? Do they eat their lunch 2m apart? Can they stay 2m apart in narrow school corridors?  Do adults have the protective equipment to allow them to go closer to the children?

What's the point of keeping them apart anyway? I thought that kids are asymptomatic and their role in the transmission process is unknown.

I think a few infants / kids are also known to have been sick.
The opening is just for kids up to the 5th grade.

The stuff on their tables are lunch boxes, and no, pedagogues/teachers will not be wearing protective gear.

Traditionally, there's quite a lot of self independence in our school system. However, this is an exceptional situation. A set of regulations was just issued: https://www.sst.dk/-/media/Udgivelser/2020/Corona/Genaabning/Skoler/Instruks-til-personale-paa-skoler-og-i-fritidsordninger.ashx?la=da&hash=307C5EE8A144B25C204E25E628EDFC9A6B5E6F2B

It tells of quite a lot of measures. Preferably 2 m zone, lots of cleaning and hygiene, children playing only in groups of 2 to 5, alternating breaks reducing the number of kids for each break, kids preferably being outdoors the whole day, general avoidance of physical contact also among pupils, professional meetings between staff preferably outdoor, by phone or virtual, children only using the same class room, no sharing of food, etc.

But overall, in reality the regulations will work only on a certain and limited level, obviously with flaws.

[geralmar]

Okay. But some of the guys in that photo have clearly gone beyond a hip holster for a pistol and seem to be holding m16s or similar. Is that still covered by "open carry"? Can you really just walk down main street with an assault rifle if you feel like it?

This may only answer your question indirectly; but if the rifles were not carried legally, the police would definitely have intervened-- the demonstrators were on the steps of the state capitol for chrissake.  If a firearm is registered, it can be carried in public so long as the carrier isn't "brandishing" it or using it to threaten someone.  The U.S. is a gun culture.  I gave up fretting about it long ago.  I actually prefer open carry:  I can see who has a gun.  It's some nut with a concealed firearms permit I worry about.

[Florestan]

From Reason Magazine, a more detailed critique of Whitmer's order.
https://reason.com/2020/04/16/michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer-provides-a-lesson-in-what-states-shouldnt-do-to-stop-a-pandemic/

A picture is worth a thousand words.



Even without social distancing I wouldn't want to be in the proximity of this woman. Eating alive anybody she doesn't like is written all over her countenance.

[Herman]

And Trump sends out tweets cheering these people on, although they're actually protesting the guidelines his administration issued yesterday.

c'mon, that was yesterday.

[Herman]

Probably not afraid of anything per se. He wants something to happen so he can draw his weapon and be the "hero."

They never do. In a scenario where "something" would happen (a dog stick up, for instance) that armed neighbour would accidentally misfire and shoot some other neighbour.

Like I said, I used to live in Ann Arbor in the early nineties, but I am SO GLAD I don't live in the US anymore.

I know in the larger picture these are just marginal incidents, but let's face it, there's a fascist in the White House, and it remains to be seen if he's willing to pack it in come Jan 2021.

[Herman]

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Even without social distancing I wouldn't want to be in the proximity of this woman. Eating alive anybody she doesn't like is written all over her countenance.

well, Florestan, since you live in Rumania, chances are you'll never get close, so that was just some gratuitous misogyny.

Whitmer is really a very nice person, for a politician, and she's obviously under great stress now. Obviously, aoart from trying to save people in her state, she's showered with death threats, just like anyone who's excited Trump's ire, and thank you for adding yourself to the mix, even though US politics is a 100% none of your business.

[Florestan]

well, Florestan, since you live in Rumania, chances are you'll never get close, so that was just some gratuitous misogyny.

Whitmer is really a very nice person, for a politician, and she's obviously under great stress now. Obviously, aoart from trying to save people in her state, she's showered with death threats, just like anyone who's excited Trump's ire, and thank you for adding yourself to the mix, even though US politics is a 100% none of your business.

So my comment is a death threat to her? You know what, your avatar and signature line fits you perfectly. Probably the only self-awareness moment you ever had.