USA Politics

[arpeggio]

I have just read some sources of people who are praying for Trump to die.  Some of their justifications is that there were conservatives celebrating the death of Ginsberg.

Maybe Todd is correct.  We are all a group of hopeless losers.

I hope not.

[milk]

I have just read some sources of people who are praying for Trump to die.  Some of their justifications is that there were conservatives celebrating the death of Ginsberg.

Maybe Todd is correct.  We are all a group of hopeless losers.

I hope not.

tump is the main loser in this, given he how he publicly mused, many times, about the possible (and imagined) illnesses of his political opponents.

[Florestan]

Nah, I won't waste my time.

As you wish, but I still think that Trump has not fundamentally altered the international order nor has he inflicted any permanent damage on it.

[Christo]

Pope Francis is right, capitalism is a wrong:
https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/04/pope-francis-says-covid-19-has-proved-capitalism-does-not-work?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=en&utm_content=pope-francis-says-covid-19-has-proved-capitalism-does-not-work&_ope=eyJndWlkIjoiMTRlZTE4MDQ0NGRhN2VmOGNkYjM0MzZkN2MxMmY1ZDIifQ%3D%3D

[Todd]

What if Pope Francis is wrong? 

[BasilValentine]

I have just read some sources of people who are praying for Trump to die.  Some of their justifications is that there were conservatives celebrating the death of Ginsberg.

Maybe Todd is correct.  We are all a group of hopeless losers.

I hope not.

Oh Jeez! All this hand wringing over the perfectly natural hope that Trump might cease to be? You've got to be kidding. After years of bullshit and infantile demands for attention from this vile excuse for a human being, this poster boy for all the seven deadly sins, this rotting husk devoid of any cardinal virtue or redeeming quality, I'd say those who find themselves wishing for Trump's demise have earned the right to that hope. 

[Todd]

Oh Jeez! All this hand wringing over the perfectly natural hope that Trump might cease to be? You've got to be kidding. After years of bullshit and infantile demands for attention from this vile excuse for a human being, this poster boy for all the seven deadly sins, this rotting husk devoid of any cardinal virtue or redeeming quality, I'd say those who find themselves wishing for Trump's demise have earned the right to that hope.

At least some leftists can accept how loathsome they are, and even revel in it.  Good job.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

I can't believe that Pres. Trump might be leaving the hospital today.  Will he self-quarantine in the White House?  Or risk getting more people infected (I read about his car ride earlier today).  Any word about how the First Lady is doing?

PD

[MusicTurner]

I can't believe that Pres. Trump might be leaving the hospital today.  Will he self-quarantine in the White House?  Or risk getting more people infected (I read about his car ride earlier today).  Any word about how the First Lady is doing?

PD

Some are saying that it's #45's wish to leave the hospital, but that most doctors would be against it, and that the medication itself suggests problems.
He has just produced 16 capital-letters tweets in 30 minutes.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Some are saying that it's #45's wish to leave the hospital, but that most doctors would be against it, and that the medication itself suggests problems.
He hast just produced 16 capital-letters tweets in 30 minutes.

Will somebody please take away his keyboard? 

What is it about the medication?  I hadn't heard anything about that.

PD

[MusicTurner]

Will somebody please take away his keyboard? 

What is it about the medication?  I hadn't heard anything about that.

PD

Well, he's not crippled in any way, obviously - but there's some info regarding the medication here, it's just an example of what many sources are writing though -
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1312792223428165633.html
(= https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,29665.msg1323546.html#msg1323546)

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Well, he's not crippled in any way, obviously - but there's some info regarding the medication here, it's just an example of what many sources are writing though -
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1312792223428165633.html
(= https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,29665.msg1323546.html#msg1323546)

Thank you for the links!

[arpeggio]

At least some leftists can accept how loathsome they are, and even revel in it.  Good job.

After your loathsome response, I take back what I said.

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Pope Francis is right, capitalism is a wrong:
https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/04/pope-francis-says-covid-19-has-proved-capitalism-does-not-work?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=en&utm_content=pope-francis-says-covid-19-has-proved-capitalism-does-not-work&_ope=eyJndWlkIjoiMTRlZTE4MDQ0NGRhN2VmOGNkYjM0MzZkN2MxMmY1ZDIifQ%3D%3D

I read the article with enthusiasm. What many people call capitalism today is significantly different from what Adam Smith had in his mind. Adam Smith envisaged a society with corruption-free market, ethics, and empathy.

[Todd]

What if Adam Smith was wrong?

[Jo498]

Adam Smith was not quite that naive and stupid. He knew that there were preconditions for working liberalism and free market economy. (That's probably one reason why he wrote a book on moral philosophy before he wrote the Wealth of Nations). According to a famous quote he was also well aware that corruption was very hard to avoid in the "market": "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."
But Smith was probably not aware how precariously balanced a liberal system would be because it would basically undermine itself by gradually or quickly destroying its own pre-conditions. This was realized only about two generations later by Marx (that capitalism dissolves all traditional relations etc.). (But Marx thought that this was good because for his utopian society such traditions would also impede the freedom he envisioned, because he really wanted to bring forth a "new man" which was arguably more naive and stupid than Smith.) So we have been aware of this for at least about 160 years. So for 200 years we have been running on fumes of the morality and unwritten rules someone like Smith would have taken for granted. Not surprising that some things could finally collapse and cannot be papered over by cheap trinkets and computer games.

[Todd]

Cool, we have arrived at the point where Capitalism itself is doomed, doomed.  For those who disagree, here's fresh evidence:

'Doomed to fail': Why a $4 trillion bailout couldn't revive the American economy

An avalanche of U.S. grants and loans helped the wealthy and companies that laid off workers. Individuals received about one-fifth of the aid.


It's probably time to stockpile provisions, snap up the latest assault rifles, and buy a properly fortified bunker or a diesel RV.

Either that, or vote Biden.

[71 dB]

He has just produced 16 capital-letters tweets in 30 minutes.

The president of the United States is in the hospital because he and his party didn't take Covid-19 seriously enough tweeting non-stop with capital letters. Let's just say the 21st century isn't going the way I thought it would go back in the 80's and 90's...

[71 dB]

Cool, we have arrived at the point where Capitalism itself is doomed, doomed.  For those who disagree, here's fresh evidence:

'Doomed to fail': Why a $4 trillion bailout couldn't revive the American economy

An avalanche of U.S. grants and loans helped the wealthy and companies that laid off workers. Individuals received about one-fifth of the aid.


It's probably time to stockpile provisions, snap up the latest assault rifles, and buy a properly fortified bunker or a diesel RV.

Either that, or vote Biden.

Well, social democracy would have been a solution to "save" capitalism in the US, but Americans have been misled to reject such a solution so here we are.

[Todd]

Well, social democracy would have been a solution to "save" capitalism in the US, but Americans have been misled to reject such a solution so here we are.

Again with the "we".  Anyway, a Biden presidency with attendant incremental policy changes seems a more likely outcome.