USA Politics

[71 dB]

Anyway, a Biden presidency with attendant incremental policy changes seems a more likely outcome.

Yes, agreed. Biden is a centrist corporatist, practically a moderate Republican who is for upholding the status quo with possibly some incrementalism such as expanding ObamaCare. The problem with incrementalism is it's too slow and also the next Republican president can easily walk back most of the progress done just like Trump has done with ObamaCare. 

[arpeggio]

Yes, agreed. Biden is a centrist corporatist, practically a moderate Republican who is for upholding the status quo with possibly some incrementalism such as expanding ObamaCare. The problem with incrementalism is it's too slow and also the next Republican president can easily walk back most of the progress done just like Trump has done with ObamaCare. 

What do you call a moderate Republican? A Democrat.

[71 dB]

What do you call a moderate Republican? A Democrat.

Not any Democrat. AOC is not a moderate Republican, but unfortunately many Democrats are practically moderate Republicans supporting ObamaCare (originally Republican plan) rather than public option not to mention single payer healthcare. Only the most left Republicans are any more "Republican". The rest of them are more like far-right corporate socialism/crony capitalism fascists.

[MusicTurner]

The president of the United States is in the hospital because he and his party didn't take Covid-19 seriously enough tweeting non-stop with capital letters. Let's just say the 21st century isn't going the way I thought it would go back in the 80's and 90's...

#45 now tweeting that he feels better than 20 years ago, and announces that he will be leaving the hospital soon, at 6.30 PM.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070

[Todd]

Yes, agreed. Biden is a centrist corporatist, practically a moderate Republican who is for upholding the status quo with possibly some incrementalism such as expanding ObamaCare. The problem with incrementalism is it's too slow and also the next Republican president can easily walk back most of the progress done just like Trump has done with ObamaCare. 

Incrementalism is what is possible.  You like pie in the sky.

[Herman]

#45 now tweeting that he feels better than 20 years ago, and announces that he will be leaving the hospital soon, at 6.30 PM.

Maybe he wants to die at the White House.

[drogulus]

The problem with incrementalism is it's too slow and also the next Republican president can easily walk back most of the progress done just like Trump has done with ObamaCare. 

     Incrementalist Biden will favor a public option among other reforms to OCare. As inadequate as Ocare was, it was not a small increment, it was quite a large one.

     

     

     

   

[krummholz]

Incrementalism is what is possible.  You like pie in the sky.

Well and succinctly put.

[71 dB]

Incrementalism is what is possible.  You like pie in the sky.

With political will almost anything is possible. The "pie in the sky" I like has been possible in all other developped countries, but not in the US because of oligarchy. If you remove money in politics so that top 1 % and big corporations don't buy politicians the "pie in the sky" stuff is pretty easy to do. Incrementalism is about going ahead as slowly as possible to serve those who don't want progress because they benefit from the rigged status quo.

[71 dB]

   

     Incrementalist Biden will favor a public option among other reforms to OCare. As inadequate as Ocare was, it was not a small increment, it was quite a large one.

I believe Biden is backing off of even public option, because his donors are nervous it will reveal how popular public healthcare will be when most people choose public option. Also, you must start from the furthest left position (NHS style UK healthcare) before compromising with Republicans.

ObamaCare was perhaps a big step, put still a fraction of the change needed in the US. Obama should have done at least public option.

[Todd]

With political will almost anything is possible.

Nope.

[Karl Henning]

Well and succinctly put.

Huggy Bear's most insightful post in five years

[71 dB]

Nope.

So how did all other developed countries do single payer healthcare? Isn't it strange how the borders of the US define what's possible and what's not? Inside you just can't have everyone covered (according to corporates), but outside it's just done. For example the northern border between Canada and the USA. Cross it to the northern side and suddenly everybody has healthcare (except for dental - even Canadians suck at something) and even drugs are 10 times cheaper. Canada is as far as I know a capitalistic country, but it's not crony capitalism with corporate socialism like it's Southern neighbor.

[JBS]

So how did all other developed countries do single payer healthcare? Isn't it strange how the borders of the US define what's possible and what's not? Inside you just can't have everyone covered (according to corporates), but outside it's just done. For example the northern border between Canada and the USA. Cross it to the northern side and suddenly everybody has healthcare (except for dental - even Canadians suck at something) and even drugs are 10 times cheaper. Canada is as far as I know a capitalistic country, but it's not crony capitalism with corporate socialism like it's Southern neighbor.

1)There are in fact a number of developed countries which do not have single payer healthcare, even if they do have universal coverage of some sort.

2)May I draw your attention to the fact that the citizens of Canada vote in Canada, not in the U.S.? And that the citizens of the U.S. vote in the U.S., not in Canada?

[Daverz]

Incrementalism is what is possible.  You like pie in the sky.

Wait, what?  Todd is for incrementalism?  Is that forward incrementalism or backward incrementalism?  I thought he was for the guys that are packing the Supreme Court with far right radicals that are all hot to take us back to the Lochner era (at least).  Stare decisis be damned, if it offends thee, overturn it.

[arpeggio]

Not any Democrat. AOC is not a moderate Republican, but unfortunately many Democrats are practically moderate Republicans supporting ObamaCare (originally Republican plan) rather than public option not to mention single payer healthcare. Only the most left Republicans are any more "Republican". The rest of them are more like far-right corporate socialism/crony capitalism fascists.

Sorry.  You do not get the joke.

[Herman]

Well, another night Crazy Man Trump did not push the button...

Something that seems to have slipped people's mind (perhaps because they were infected too) is Melania.

When Crazy Man went to Walter Reid he gave a show of husband-and-wife-in-it-together, but since then he's been steroid-busy signing blank papers and joyriding town and no word of Melania.

Maybe a cognitive test question "What's your wife's name?" would be too confusing now...

I guess he would just say "Trump."

[71 dB]

You'd like a left wing extremist who would tell the entire country to submit to their view of the constitution and let the military or national guard loose on any resisting constituency.

What is this "view of the constitution" you fear? Who on the left has spoken about "letting the military or national guard loose on any resisting constituency"? You are strawmanning hard and I am calling it out. Perhaps your side, the right-wingers do have some fascist tendencies and weird interpretations of the constitution, but that doesn't mean the left has too, so what you do here is projection.

[71 dB]

Sorry.  You do not get the joke.

Because I didn't write Hahaah? Sorry about elaborating your joke without using  emoji, because the more progressive gain power within the Democratic party the less general the joke becomes.

[71 dB]

Wait, what?  Todd is for incrementalism?

It's not that. He is just parroting what he has learned from corporate media. Have you noticed Todd never explains anything? Whether he is lazy or he just can't, which is not surprising if he takes things (that make him feel good) for granted without thinking them through himself.