USA Politics (redux)

[greg]

I haven't said that it's okay to destroy property for BLMers. I have said that it's to be expected, after significant social injustice, that property gets destroyed and looting occurs, not necessarily by BLM activists, but by opportunists in the bandwagon. This happens virtually every time since time immemorial.

I'll put my thoughts this way:
My point is, it's amusing to see the shift from a logical/explanatory mode of thought when talking about left wing violence.
And then go to an impassioned shift in tone when talking about right wing violence.

I'll just ask directly: you are against the acts of violence caused by the left in the previous months, correct?

[BasilValentine]

I'll put my thoughts this way:
My point is, it's amusing to see the shift from a logical/explanatory mode of thought when talking about left wing violence.
And then go to an impassioned shift in tone when talking about right wing violence.

I'll just ask directly: you are against the acts of violence caused by the left in the previous months, correct?

You are wrong on every point. BLM protests have nothing to do with right and left politics. The fact that more racist a$$holes are Republican, and so oppose BLM, doesn't make social justice for blacks a left political issue.

More important: Every one of the people who entered the capital on January 6 is a criminal. Only the small minority of people who looted and destroyed property, a good number of whom were counter protesters, were criminals.

Finally, the Trump administration fomented and carried out much of the violence surrounding the BLM protests under orders from an acting homeland security chief who had no legal standing  to give the orders in the first place.

[drogulus]

     FBI report warned of 'war' at Capitol, contradicting claims there was no indication of looming violence

A day before rioters stormed Congress, an FBI office in Virginia issued an explicit internal warning that extremists were preparing to travel to Washington to commit violence and "war," according to an internal document reviewed by The Washington Post that contradicts a senior official's declaration the bureau had no intelligence indicating anyone at last week's pro-Trump protest planned to do harm.

A situational information report approved for release the day before the U.S. Capitol riot painted a dire portrait of dangerous plans, including individuals sharing a map of the complex's tunnels, and possible rally points for would-be conspirators to meet up in Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and South Carolina and head in groups to Washington.

"As of 5 January 2021, FBI Norfolk received information indicating calls for violence in response to 'unlawful lockdowns' to begin on 6 January 2021 in Washington. D.C.," the document says. "An online thread discussed specific calls for violence to include stating 'Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled. Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal."

     One of these statements is true.

     1) Trump was told that violence was coming, because explict warnings by the FBI don't bypass the President.

     2) Trump didn't know very much about the violent plans of the extremists. He was busy defending the country against all enemies foreign and domestic.

   

[drogulus]

I'll just ask directly: you are against the acts of violence caused by the left in the previous months, correct?

     Can I play? I support the BLM protests and oppose the violence committed at BLM demonstrations. BLM doesn't just have a legitimate grievance, it's the gold standard of legitimacy by which public protests should be judged.

[Herman]

     Can I play?

Yeah, please do.

I see the Texas Kid is out trolling again in a big way, and I've got better  things to do.

[greg]

     Can I play? I support the BLM protests and oppose the violence committed at BLM demonstrations.

You seem to be somewhat left-leaning, yet you have no problem condemning violence on both the left and the right. You can detach for a bit and think objectively. That's why you aren't a tribalist.

Yet I just asked Herman point blank if he disapproves of the violence on the left (since I know he does for the right) and am not getting a response. It's like pulling a tooth.
(reminds me of the criticism he had towards Trump about him not condemning right-wing violence swiftly enough)

Texas Kid

I'm 33 and only lived in Texas for a year. Weird nickname to have. But ok.

You are wrong on every point. BLM protests have nothing to do with right and left politics. The fact that more racist a$$holes are Republican, and so oppose BLM, doesn't make social justice for blacks a left political issue.
More important: Every one of the people who entered the capital on January 6 is a criminal. Only the small minority of people who looted and destroyed property, a good number of whom were counter protesters, were criminals.

Regardless of whether or not everyone was there intentionally trying to enter the building (rather than staying outside to only protest)...
I'm comparing this to BLM riots, not to BLM protests. Everyone who rioted was doing something wrong. Everyone who entered the building (also rioting) did something wrong. That's all I'm trying to compare.
I don't have issues with peaceful protests.

[SimonNZ]

     FBI report warned of 'war' at Capitol, contradicting claims there was no indication of looming violence

A day before rioters stormed Congress, an FBI office in Virginia issued an explicit internal warning that extremists were preparing to travel to Washington to commit violence and "war," according to an internal document reviewed by The Washington Post that contradicts a senior official's declaration the bureau had no intelligence indicating anyone at last week's pro-Trump protest planned to do harm.

A situational information report approved for release the day before the U.S. Capitol riot painted a dire portrait of dangerous plans, including individuals sharing a map of the complex's tunnels, and possible rally points for would-be conspirators to meet up in Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and South Carolina and head in groups to Washington.

"As of 5 January 2021, FBI Norfolk received information indicating calls for violence in response to 'unlawful lockdowns' to begin on 6 January 2021 in Washington. D.C.," the document says. "An online thread discussed specific calls for violence to include stating 'Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled. Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal."

     One of these statements is true.

     1) Trump was told that violence was coming, because explict warnings by the FBI don't bypass the President.

     2) Trump didn't know very much about the violent plans of the extremists. He was busy defending the country against all enemies foreign and domestic.

   

"Pantifa"?? Because they wear pants? Is this another right-wing attempt at wit?

[T. D.]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55631079

Three US lawmakers have tested positive for the coronavirus after sheltering for hours with colleagues during last week's deadly assault on the Capitol.

House Democrats Bonnie Watson Coleman, Pramila Jayapal and Brad Schneider have announced their diagnoses.

Last Wednesday they hunkered down in secure rooms, seeking refuge from an invasion of Congress in which five people died.

Some Republicans were not wearing masks during the ordeal, footage suggests.

Video shared by Punchbowl News shows several lawmakers apparently refusing facemasks offered to them.

Medical experts fear more lawmakers may have contracted the disease, potentially amounting to a super-spreader event at a time when coronavirus infections and deaths continue to rise in the US.

The US has recorded the highest number of coronavirus infections (22.6 million) and deaths (367,000) in the world, with no sign of the epidemic abating, despite the limited roll-out of vaccines.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Officials from the Justice Department and FBI brief reporters on the latest developments in the federal investigation into the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by supporters of President Trump, which resulted in the deaths of five people.

Acting U.S. Attorney Michael Sherwin from the Department of Justice was joined by Steven D'Antuono from the FBI's Washington Field Office.

https://muscatinejournal.com/news/national/watch-fbi-justice-department-press-conference-on-investigation-into-capitol-attack/article_3dd6dda1-a4e9-5290-9e05-ab39df409985.html

[Pohjolas Daughter]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55631079

Three US lawmakers have tested positive for the coronavirus after sheltering for hours with colleagues during last week's deadly assault on the Capitol.

House Democrats Bonnie Watson Coleman, Pramila Jayapal and Brad Schneider have announced their diagnoses.

Last Wednesday they hunkered down in secure rooms, seeking refuge from an invasion of Congress in which five people died.

Some Republicans were not wearing masks during the ordeal, footage suggests.

Video shared by Punchbowl News shows several lawmakers apparently refusing facemasks offered to them.

Medical experts fear more lawmakers may have contracted the disease, potentially amounting to a super-spreader event at a time when coronavirus infections and deaths continue to rise in the US.

The US has recorded the highest number of coronavirus infections (22.6 million) and deaths (367,000) in the world, with no sign of the epidemic abating, despite the limited roll-out of vaccines.

I saw footage of the Democrat lawmaker who tried handing out masks to the folks (Republicans) and their refusals at wearing them.   

PD

[BWV 1080]

Concerned that, viewing Q-anon as a cult, they have reached a Jim Jones moment with the bullshit exposed and a hardened core of true believers is resorting to violence

[Karl Henning]

Yes.

The Alt-Right Is Now the Entire Right.

[BasilValentine]

Regardless of whether or not everyone was there intentionally trying to enter the building (rather than staying outside to only protest)...
I'm comparing this to BLM riots, not to BLM protests. Everyone who rioted was doing something wrong. Everyone who entered the building (also rioting) did something wrong. That's all I'm trying to compare.
I don't have issues with peaceful protests.

You're still way off the mark. In a number of cases, Trump's irregular forces, those employed in DC and in Portland, were the rioters. They initiated the violence without justification. The worst crimes committed at BLM protests were the violent attack on peaceful protesters in Lafayette Park and the illegal kidnapping of US citizens by personnel with no legal jurisdiction to enforce the law where they did in Oregon. These crimes were far more egregious than any perpetrated by BLM protesters.

[SimonNZ]

But the Fox etc spin of Both Sides Do It and Lets Talk About Freedom Of Speech Instead Of Insurrection And Coup has reached the YT-only "readership", even if they're unaware of the source and in who's service they're arguing.

Trickle-down propaganda. Its frighteningly efficient.

[Daverz]

I'm comparing this to BLM riots, not to BLM protests. Everyone who rioted was doing something wrong. Everyone who entered the building (also rioting) did something wrong. That's all I'm trying to compare.
I don't have issues with peaceful protests.

Yes, you do.  You keep conflating BLM with riots and rioters. 

[drogulus]

     Rep. Liz Cheney will vote to impeach Trump.

[drogulus]

     The Cheney announcement isn't a surprise. But Mitch is signalling he wants Trump impeached, though he's said he wants to see what's in the bill. I didn't see that coming.

[greg]

Was also thinking about the censorship of Parler- banned because they didn't monitor their users content enough.
So, given how big Facebook, Twitter and Google are, pretty sure many crimes throughout the years have been coordinated using their platforms, but they aren't banning themselves.
Not saying Parler shouldn't have been banned.
But seems they should either hold themselves to the same standard or not apply that rule at all.

Yes, you do.  You keep conflating BLM with riots and rioters.

Maybe because they are mixed together. The riots were during BLM protests, not some isolated thing apart from that. And some people who partook were BLM supporters. So if I accidentally say "protestors" when I mean "rioters" or vice versa then that is my mistake.

[MusicTurner]

The already mentioned Seth Abramson has now launched a summarized complete theory on what happened on January 6th, based on some collected evidence so far, in 52 tweets.

Very interesting reading, of course subject to change.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1349142068061478912
https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1349155316018114560

[Herman]

Trump has managed to sneak in another death sentence executed.

It's not just outrageous because executions are rare and on their way out, and lame duck executions haven't happened in decades, but this was a woman, too, which never happens.

This man gets a kick out of Americans dying, it's what he wanted ever since he placed those big ads for the execution of the Central Park Five (who were later acquitted).

Remember, too, one of his most notorious quotes is "I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue."