USA Politics (redux)

[greg]

Ummmm...? lol

Let me revise that reaction.
It's waaaaaaay different nowadays that 20+ years ago. Probably mostly true that you would need an actual teacher to learn music well. Nowadays, it really just depends on what you're trying to do.

Well, I find you have managed to make it all about yourself again, and how great you are (title of the topic: USA politics > Greg about Greg) so I'm not interested, sorry.

You've managed to do the same thing again.
It's not about me, I'm just using myself as an example for the point I was making about debt slavery and the college system.

So you're the kid in school who was always saying "why do I have to learn x if I'm never going to get a job doing x".

I like learning. I don't like to be forced to learn stuff when I am focused on other things. Is that unreasonable?
And why exactly would asking that question be a bad thing? Do you completely not value your own time and ability to choose what to learn?

Tuition free education would alleviate/fix that problem and SJWs wouldn't have to make those posts anymore.

It would probably help.

[Karl Henning]

Do you really think I follow some morons on Youtube who pull their opinions out of their hat or ass? Where do you think they get their information from? These Youtubers search for articles by serious journalists for work. Yes, this is certainly easier.  Also, a lot of stuff is behind paywalls.

Lefties were sceptical about Biden doing $15 minimum wage. $15 minimum wage did not happen. Lefties were right, AGAIN!

Hasn't happened yet.

If lefties banked on this happening within a month of Biden's inauguration, while a pandemic is raging, lefties should extract their heads from out their large colons.

[Karl Henning]

I don't memorize names.

You don't remember any?  when's the last time you read one? Or don't you "memorize dates," either?

[71 dB]

Hasn't happened yet.

Yep, and won't happen in the near future. This was the chance, because this was a must pass bill. The Dems managed to make the bill worse in the process and still got zero Republican votes. The Dems will get Republican votes only if they are trying to pass Republican legislation.

If lefties banked on this happening within a month of Biden's inauguration, while a pandemic is raging, lefties should extract their heads from out their large colons.

The pandemic is actually a brilliant moment to pass things like this, because most people feel the need for it on their skin. The better times (for regular people), the less needed lefty stuff appears to people. Biden + Harris could have made $15 happen (using presidential influence) if they really wanted it, but they don't really want it. They work for the chamber of commerce, not for people making $7.25/hr.

If $15 was this hard now, wait for 2022 when the Republicans probably take the Senate back and $15 becomes impossible.

[71 dB]

Max Blumenthal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Blumenthal

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/08/biden-iran-envoy-starving-civilians-pain-sanctions/

[JBS]

Max Blumenthal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Blumenthal

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/08/biden-iran-envoy-starving-civilians-pain-sanctions/

Need to do better. Max B is nowadays just another propagandist for Assad and Iran.

[71 dB]

Need to do better. Max B is nowadays just another propagandist for Assad and Iran.

I don't need to do anything. I can just ignore US politics and who is propagandist for who. Facts don't matter anymore. Everyone is a propagandist according to someone these days. I am out of this thread. Why did I even bother...

Who is better? Those paid "journalists" at WP thinking war with Iran is a good idea?

[drogulus]

Macroeconomics really is something people struggle to understand, because it is so far from our personal economics. I have noticed people in general don't understand multiplier effects in macroeconomics. People don't seem to understand how much it matter how and how fast money circulates in the society. People don't understand debt isn't "lack of money" in macroeconomics. It's more money elsewhere. It is about "where" the money is. The multiplier effects dictate largely how much money there is in the macroeconomy, or better how the amount of money changes in time, but since people in general don't know/understand this, it is easy to fearmonger with debt everytime someone tries to improve lives of regular people for example.

     Lack of money is what happens when the government taxes back its debt. Money is what happens when it doesn't.

[MusicTurner]

I don't need to do anything. I can just ignore US politics and who is propagandist for who. Facts don't matter anymore. Everyone is a propagandist according to someone these days. I am out of this thread. Why did I even bother...

Who is better? Those paid "journalists" at WP thinking war with Iran is a good idea?

RT and Sputnik are propaganda media supporting the Russian regime, their only function is to support it and to weaken/demoralize the West. They excel in producing outright lies/"evidence", and the leader of RT has stated that RT is a weapon on a par with the Russian military, which is far from any good principles of journalism. Obvious examples have been hiding the Russian invasion of Ukraine, lying about events in Ukraine generally and the MH17 shoot down, about the atrocities of the Assad regime, trying to support and inflate right wing extremism in Europe, etc. etc. They are actually protagonists of post-factual journalism.

RT and Sputnik associations are therefore disqualifying sources, when you encounter them, unless you also support what is going on in Russia politically.

[71 dB]

RT and Sputnik are propaganda media supporting the Russian regime, their only function is to support it and to weaken/demoralize the West. They excell in producing outright lies/"evidence", and the leader of RT has stated that RT is a weapon on a par with the Russian military, which is far from any good principles of journalism. Obvious examples have been hiding the Russian invasion of Ukraine, lying about events in Ukraine generally and the MH17 shoot down, about the atrocities of the Assad regime, trying to support and inflate right wing extremism in Europe, etc. etc.

RT and Sputnik associations are therefore disqualifying sources, when you encounter them, unless you also support what is going on in Russia politically.

I know this. I know how to be critical. However, it turns out that state run propaganda isn't as bad as corporate propaganda. Surprising perhaps, but that's how it seems to be. You can criticize me when I deny Russian invasion of Ukraine. I haven't done so and I won't. I am European.

[Karl Henning]

I know this. I know how to be critical.

Except viz. YouTube

[71 dB]

Except viz. YouTube

Says someone to whom WP op-eds are to be trusted as face value... 

Maybe you think I believe everything I see on Youtube. I don't. Anyway, this is really stupid, because we are NOT debating about any political issues. We are trying to discredit each other creating a TOXIC forum. We are like children! I'd like to stop it, but my credibility is being constantly challenged in a mean tone just because I prefer to get my information elsewhere, outside places considered "trustful" by the establishment! As if someone getting paid by the military industry complex would do "better" journalism about Iran than someone working for RT. Russia and the US both have interests in the middle east.

Sorry, if I have been arrogant at some point. I just assumed all those countless of hours I spend on following US politics would have given me some insight into things. Whatever. I am so tired of US politics at this point.

[steve ridgway]

I just assumed all those countless of hours I spend on following US politics would have given me some insight into things.

Maybe the insight that everyone has their own agenda and it's mostly about deceiving others for money.

[71 dB]

Maybe the insight that everyone has their own agenda and it's mostly about deceiving others for money.

When everybody are lying, what is not said is the truth.

[steve ridgway]

When everybody are lying, what is not said is the truth.

Nature does not speak in words. 0:)

[Karl Henning]

Nature does not speak in words. 0:)

My budgie (hatched in the USA) expresses agreement.

[DavidW]

When it comes to US politics, serious journalism is a rarity.

Yes that is mostly because people refuse to support serious journalism by buying subscriptions to newspapers.  Especially local newspaper where most of the news is generated and then re-reported in the big national papers.  And you know how much subscriptions cost?  Usually only $5-10 a month.  And when you turn to YT instead of paying a happy meal price once a month another greedy hedge fund like Alden Global Capital buys up and tears up another newspaper.  And when you watch YT you are getting extreme simplification, cherry picking, biased and highly opinionated "reporting."  Just think about it.

[Herman]

Yes that is mostly because people refuse to support serious journalism by buying subscriptions to newspapers.  Especially local newspaper where most of the news is generated and then re-reported in the big national papers.  And you know how much subscriptions cost?  Usually only $5-10 a month.  And when you turn to YT instead of paying a happy meal price once a month another greedy hedge fund like Alden Global Capital buys up and tears up another newspaper.  And when you watch YT you are getting extreme simplification, cherry picking, biased and highly opinionated "reporting."  Just think about it.

Yes

[greg]

Anyway, this is really stupid, because we are NOT debating about any political issues. We are trying to discredit each other creating a TOXIC forum. We are like children! I'd like to stop it, but my credibility is being constantly challenged in a mean tone just because I prefer to get my information elsewhere, outside places considered "trustful" by the establishment!

Par for the course here.

Yes that is mostly because people refuse to support serious journalism by buying subscriptions to newspapers.  Especially local newspaper where most of the news is generated and then re-reported in the big national papers.  And you know how much subscriptions cost?  Usually only $5-10 a month.  And when you turn to YT instead of paying a happy meal price once a month another greedy hedge fund like Alden Global Capital buys up and tears up another newspaper.  And when you watch YT you are getting extreme simplification, cherry picking, biased and highly opinionated "reporting."  Just think about it.

Interesting point.
It may be the fault of the collective for not enough people paying for the subscription. You could also add, people don't need to click on and share incendiary ragebait headlines online.

Then at that point, since you can't really control the actions of millions of people (free stuff is $5-10 cheaper a month than stuff that is $5-10, so most people will just go with whatever is free/aka ad-supported), then some sort of system or business model would have to be put into place to change things. Not sure what, though.

[Herman]

"Trump seemed to channel this body of thought when he seized upon a moral panic about a few transparently silly stories—"fake news"—and created a catchphrase to smear serious journalists. While we in the media wrung our hands at the idea that people might believe the Pope had endorsed Trump, Trump himself realized that the real danger—and for him, the real opportunity—was different. It was not that people would believe such nonsense, but that they could be persuaded to disbelieve authoritative, carefully sourced journalism."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/the-conspiracy-theorists-problem-isnt-what-they-believe/618285/