Quiz: Mystery scores

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J.Z. Herrenberg

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Okay, first guess: #294 Donald Tovey, Piano Concerto.

Second guess: #296 Godowski's Transcription of the 'Preislied'?

Third guess: #297 Fartein Valen, Second Piano Sonata
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

lukeottevanger


lukeottevanger

(Does Godowsky come at the end of the alphabet?)

J.Z. Herrenberg

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Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 03:04:31 PM

:(


I knew it! Godowski is usually far more virtuosic. Mm...

Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 03:05:00 PM
(Does Godowsky come at the end of the alphabet?)

I forgot!  :'(


Later addition: I am done for today. "Bye for now!"
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 04:10:16 AM
It's the sort of thing that is best known to the world from the Nutcracker suite (coffee, tea, chocolate, Russia, Arabia, China...)

If I may: chocolate, coffee, and tea - to put them in their correct order - are from Spain, Arabia, and China respectively in the Nutracker. Russia is represented by a Cossack trepak, which Balanchine in his version converted to a dance of Candy Canes, a virtuoso 1.5 minutes using "hula hoops" that is given to the most acrobatic males in the company. In fact it's thanks to Balanchine that some Tchaikovsky is more likely to be heard (and seen) than in the concert hall. Of the larger works, he choreographed the 2nd piano concerto, 3rd and 4th suites, and 3rd symphony (the finale to Jewels).

Do you have any passages from the other two big Tchaikovsky ballets there?
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

lukeottevanger

Quote from: Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 06:16:25 PM
If I may: chocolate, coffee, and tea - to put them in their correct order - are from Spain, Arabia, and China respectively in the Nutracker. Russia is represented by a Cossack trepak, which Balanchine in his version converted to a dance of Candy Canes, a virtuoso 1.5 minutes using "hula hoops" that is given to the most acrobatic males in the company.

Yes, I wasn't trying to pair like with like, just to give an indication of the sort of 'epicurian delights' and exoticisms that Tchaikovsky prepares for us - explicitly here in The Nutcracker, but also in pieces like the orchestral suites

Quote from: Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 06:16:25 PM
Do you have any passages from the other two big Tchaikovsky ballets there?

No. Nor from the Suites, though I've mentioned them twice now. That doesn't mean I won't be using them in future, though - they are pretty spectacular scores.

lukeottevanger

Quote from: Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 06:16:25 PM
In fact it's thanks to Balanchine that some Tchaikovsky is more likely to be heard (and seen) than in the concert hall. Of the larger works, he choreographed the 2nd piano concerto, 3rd and 4th suites, and 3rd symphony (the finale to Jewels).

Didn't know that, btw - thanks. Did he choreograph all of the 2nd Concerto? It's a big piece....

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 02:54:59 AM
Didn't know that, btw - thanks. Did he choreograph all of the 2nd Concerto? It's a big piece....

Yes he did - all of it. It was originally entitled Ballet Imperial, but now goes by the more prosaic title of Concerto No. 2.

For the 3rd Symphony, which is the last piece in Balanchine's great triptych "Jewels,"* he left out the first movement and re-ordered the four remaining.

*Emeralds (in French style, to music by Fauré)
Rubies (American, using Stravinsky's Capriccio)
Diamonds (Russian, using the Tchai 3rd)
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

lukeottevanger

Quote from: Sforzando on June 11, 2008, 05:28:53 AM
Yes he did - all of it. It was originally entitled Ballet Imperial, but now goes by the more prosaic title of Concerto No. 2.

What sort of thing does he do during the second movement? I'd be interested to know, as I really like that movement, don't you?

(Sounding all Eric on you here!)

Maciek

Donald Tovey, Piano Concerto... Fartein Valen, Second Piano Sonata...

Hmmm... Whatever happened to Greg's plea for more less obscure stuff?

lukeottevanger

Thing is, Johan only knows obscure stuff, it seems! The more famous composers remain....

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 05:33:18 AM
What sort of thing does he do during the second movement? I'd be interested to know, as I really like that movement, don't you?

(Sounding all Eric on you here!)

I've only seen it once, and I don't have the best visual memory for ballet steps. With a little sleuthing I'm sure I'll find an answer, though.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

lukeottevanger

Well, yes, it would be fascinating to see what Balanchine makes of the orchestrational/formal oddities of this movement.

lukeottevanger

No one got anything to add?  ???

J.Z. Herrenberg

This connoisseur of the obscure hasn't...
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

lukeottevanger

Then I'm more shocked than you might think is justified. Not just about you, you understand...

Maciek

OK, OK, I'll dig into the thread and try to find the place where the actual scores are... ::)

lukeottevanger

Not far back, and links not far above your last post.

Maciek

Hm, no ideas so far (I would have guessed the Valen, though - with those clues! ;D). Trying to figure out the penultimate one... Perhaps Guido will know it?