Quiz: Mystery scores

[lukeottevanger]

Updated, TTT

First list, in two parts:
Part one
and
Part two

Second list (one long part)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando)
296 - Wagner-Wolf -? - (Johan)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan)
298 - ? -
299 - ? -
300 - Theo Ysaye - ? - (Sforzando)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando)
303 - Cage - ? - (Sforzando)
304 - ? -
305 - ? -
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg)
310 - ? -
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando)
317 - ? -
318 - ? -
319 - ? -
320 - ? -
321 - ? -
322 - ? -
323 - ? -
324 - ? -
325 - ? -
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark)

Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke)
55 - ? -
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke)
57 - ? -
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke)
62 - ? -
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke)
72 - ? -
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke)
76 - ? -

Links to clues:
First basic clues to LO 293-302
first follow-up clues to LO 294-302
second follow-up clues to LO 295-302

Some clues to Sforzando's scores
....and some more

[(poco) Sforzando]

Well, I don't know where Sforzando has disappeared to, but I for one need my dose of this thread. So, more scores from me. Sorry.

I'm still here! waiting for identifications on the rest of my scores. #327 is Shosty's Db major from the op. 87 preludes and fugues. More later I hope.

[lukeottevanger]

I'm still here! waiting for identifications on the rest of my scores.

You might need to give us thickos a few more clues....

#327 is Shosty's Db major from the op. 87 preludes and fugues. More later I hope.

Yes, of course you are right - what an incredible piece this is. Robin Holloway used to play us this one back to back with the A major fugue from the same set, just to show the extremes of texture that can fall under the word 'fugue'.

When you say 'more later' do you mean more guesses from you or more scores? I hope the former, as I can't stay up much longer than this!! 

[(poco) Sforzando]

You might need to give us thickos a few more clues....

Yes, of course you are right - what an incredible piece this is. Robin Holloway used to play us this one back to back with the A major fugue from the same set, just to show the extremes of texture that can fall under the word 'fugue'.

When you say 'more later' do you mean more guesses from you or more scores? I hope the former, as I can't stay up much longer than this!! 

Both! but wait until tomorrow. It must be past 2 in the morning where you are now.

[(poco) Sforzando]

You might need to give us thickos a few more clues....

But I don't see you guys yet making use of the clues I've given! at least three of my unidentified excerpts are by composers already present in my two last sets, and one by a composer present in one of Luke's recent sets. And while I don't know what you Brits eat for breakfast each day (I hope it's not that ghastly English breakfast I was served in my London hotel each morning ten years ago), thinking of breakfast food should go a long day towards cracking one or two of my harder eggs, especially if you like your eggs scrambled as I do. (For what it's worth: supposedly Escoffier, in scrambling eggs in butter for Sarah Bernhardt, stirred them with a knife on which he had impaled a bit of garlic. Sarah loved the result, but Escoffier never revealed his secret.)

Finally Guido, in the course of identifying Barber's Tango, has inadvertently provided the name of another of my (very famous) composers.

55 will be tough, no doubt, but it is for two cellos. 54 - well, figuring out the instrumentation will tell you everything. It is a well-known piece by a famous composer. But doesn't something about the layout of that score look very unusual - almost as if something you'd normally expect is missing?

And of course there are clues all over the place in the above paragraphs, as well as a few false leads. Sinister, aren't I?

[Mark G. Simon]

LO 328 looks like the scherzo of Sibelius 2nd symphony.

[(poco) Sforzando]

LO 328 looks like the scherzo of Sibelius 2nd symphony.

Only problem is, I'm just checking through my score and it's not.

[(poco) Sforzando]

But 326 is from the (not very slow) slow movement of Prokofiev's Classical Symphony.

[Mark G. Simon]

Only problem is, I'm just checking through my score and it's not.

Probably because it's (328) actually the finale of Sibelius' 3rd.

(Yes this is my final answer).

[lukeottevanger]

And it's correct! As I thought - a well-known and important passage from a famous work, but somehow it fails to register immediately when one sees it (it's the same for me, that's why I thought I'd try it out on the rest of you!)

I'd love the chance to get stuck into Sforzando's clues, but I'm up to my eyeballs in end-of-school-year work at the moment, and really ought to be working on it all every free minute. I predict, though, that 'The Lure of the Score' will drag me away from what I should be doing later tonight. Curses! 

[lukeottevanger]

Sfz's right on the Prokofiev too, of course. The ones identified are those I thought were the easier, it's true, but the others are not all impossible. And clues will be given in a day or two...

[(poco) Sforzando]

Sfz's right on the Prokofiev too, of course. The ones identified are those I thought were the easier, it's true, but the others are not all impossible. And clues will be given in a day or two...

325 looks a bit like a Ligeti etude, though I'm away from my scores now and I'm far from certain about this anyway.

Surprised my 54 is giving so much trouble. I think I could have identified this one with one hand tied behind my back.

[lukeottevanger]

54 - well, figuring out the instrumentation will tell you everything. It is a well-known piece by a famous composer. But doesn't something about the layout of that score look very unusual - almost as if something you'd normally expect is missing?

Without checking - the CD is all the way on the other side of the room for goodness skae, I'm going to guess that this is Prokofiev (actually I'd already tried him out) - piano concerto no 4, the left hand one.

Actually, I did just check, and I'm right.

This score was obviously Russian, and the style looked like Prokofiev, or perhaps Shostakovich. For some reason - probably that I'm obviously brain-dead at the moment - I didn't consider the left hand work. Having discounted the various cello-and-orchestra possibilities (couldn't be violin - look at the bass clef right at the end of the sample) I was stumped.

[lukeottevanger]

LOL - only just saw Sfozando's 'one hand behind back' clue!!

My 325 isn't Ligeti. Fairly obscure, this one, a balletic piece in some ways.

[lukeottevanger]

Is that scrambled eggs Massenet or scrambled eggs Rossini? Or indeed à l'arlésienne? Or more than one of the above? Or none?   

[(poco) Sforzando]

Is that scrambled eggs Massenet or scrambled eggs Rossini? Or indeed à l'arlésienne? Or more than one of the above? Or none?   

None of the above. Just think about any possible puns on eggs cooked in butter.

[lukeottevanger]

I have no idea what you're on about. I rarely eat breakfast.....


(btw, put your mind at rest - I think the only people who eat the kind of Full English you underwent in that London hotel are tourists. And truckers.)

[(poco) Sforzando]

I have no idea what you're on about. I rarely eat breakfast.....


(btw, put your mind at rest - I think the only people who eat the kind of Full English you underwent in that London hotel are tourists. And truckers.)

A few more clues as to my unguessed ones:

1) To what you said, that's a relief.
2) A couple of them by a very great composer have higher opus numbers than their dates of composition would imply.
3) Two are by British composers, whose last names begin with the same letter.
4) One of the more obscure composers has the same nationality as one of mine that had been recently guessed.
5) Rampant horses? Luke's not the only one who can play that secretive game.
6) Another standard of the ballet repertoire is probably less known among music lovers, but he's been in my list before.
7) Eggs, butter . . . this clue must be worth something, lads.
What composer does Guido inadvertently name when identifying the Hesitation Tango?
9) Can't hear you, speak louder! (What, you too?)
10) My first name begins with a K, but my composition has something in common with that Gottfried von Einem fiasco of two weeks ago.
11) PS: could that be someone's initials? Could that even be the outer letters of a well-known city?

[lukeottevanger]

Thanks - those look tantalising. One thing before I get stuck in - are those clues in any sort of order relative to the scores? Or are they, as knowing you I suspect they are, merely random?

[lukeottevanger]

OK, now I look I see that the latter is indeed the case....