Works you hate by composers you love

[Gabriel]

Taking in account his dislike of his contemporary German music I doubt he was aware or appreciative of Hummel's PC.

Not only aware or appreciative: it seems that they were an active part of his concert performances. As far as I know, Chopin's dislike was focused on Beethoven, but not, for example, towards Mozart.

[Mark]

Let me add Beethoven's 10th violin sonata, which is just boring in my opinion.

The word 'boring' is becoming a trademark in your posts, Rappy. In fact, even before I could see your avatar, I knew the above post had come from you.

[rappy]

In this thread, certainly. This might be due to my limited English vocabulary 
By the way, pieces to dislike are usually boring, otherwise you wouldn't dislike them, would you?

[Mark]

In this thread, certainly. This might be due to my limited English vocabulary 
By the way, pieces to dislike are usually boring, otherwise you wouldn't dislike them, would you?

Don't mind me: I'm just prickly because you find some of Beethoven's Violin Sonatas boring (whereas I love them all).

You're wrong, however, about disliked works 'usually' being boring. I might dislike a work because I find it too angular, misshapen or overlong for its material.

[Larry Rinkel]

In this thread, certainly. This might be due to my limited English vocabulary 
By the way, pieces to dislike are usually boring, otherwise you wouldn't dislike them, would you?

I consider #10 a very special work. Come back to it in five years.

[Cato]

Well, I don't necessarily "hate" this work: it just severely disappoints in contrast with his first 2 symphonies:

Rimsky's Third Symphony.  Even though it is from his mature period, when he is producing great operas, it just does not compare with Symphony #2 (Antar).

[rappy]

I consider #10 a very special work. Come back to it in five years.

I'll try to. I love most of the violin sonatas (7, 9, even the first... just awesome) and that's maybe why I'm disappointed of the ones I don't like that much...

Btw., overlong for its material means boring to me ;-)

[Larry Rinkel]

Ligeti's thing for 100 metronomes ...

Agreed. 50 would have sufficed.

[Larry Rinkel]

(1) The Nutcracker contains so extremly lovely melodies many other composers could never think of.

(2) And, yeah, some Beethoven piano sonatas are quite boring in my opinion - especially those who consist mostly of harmonic progressions played in broken chords.

(1) It deserves, as do Swan Lake and Sleeping Beauty, to be heard as music for a ballet, as it was originally intended. As such, Nutcracker can be a beautiful fable for children (and not only cute - those mice!) I can't imagine a better staging than Balanchine's for the NY City Ballet, fortunately available on DVD.

(2) It would be interesting (and perhaps frightening) to get a list of those LvB piano sonatas people don't like. Mine would include: op. 49 1 and 2, op. 27/1, op. 22, and op. 7.

I don't "hate," but I don't care for the Beethoven violin concerto. I hate a good deal of Messiaen and Richard Strauss, but the original question was "works you hate by composers you love."

[Mark]

I don't "hate," but I don't care for the Beethoven violin concerto. I hate a good deal of Messiaen and Richard Strauss, but the original question was "works you hate by composers you love."

Like I said, I used an emotive thread title to hook folks in. It worked - this is reply #90.

[karlhenning]

Oh, we feel so used! 

[Mark]

Oh, we feel so used! 

Can you see now why I'm in advertising.

[longears]

I hate a good deal of Messiaen and Richard Strauss, but the original question was "works you hate by composers you love."

I'm not moved enough by Messiaen to hate him, I'm just indifferent.  So nice of you to hate a good deal of Strauss, for though I don't always agree with you, Larry, I respect your opinions, and this makes me feel better about my dislike for Strauss, too.  If it weren't for certain passages--like the trio at the end of Der Rosenkavalier--I wouldn't care for him a bit.  How could someone who wrote such wonderful pieces as the Oboe Cto and the Four Last Songs write so much note-spinning, self-indulgent dreck?

[Larry Rinkel]

I've attempted the 8th many times, and I still actively hate it ........

I like the first movement and actively hate the second. (And I do love virtually all else by Mahler.)

In the real spirit of the thread, I do hate Parsifal with a vengeance (while I love the Ring and Meistersinger, and Tristan when I'm in the mood).

[Larry Rinkel]

I'm not moved enough by Messiaen to hate him, I'm just indifferent.  So nice of you to hate a good deal of Strauss, for though I don't always agree with you, Larry, I respect your opinions, and this makes me feel better about my dislike for Strauss, too.  If it weren't for certain passages--like the trio at the end of Der Rosenkavalier--I wouldn't care for him a bit.  How could someone who wrote such wonderful pieces as the Oboe Cto and the Four Last Songs write so much note-spinning, self-indulgent dreck?

You said it! I do like the early tone poems - Don Juan, Death + Trans, and Till especially, and I love Elektra. But as a friend once said to me, there's about 10 minutes of good music in Arabella. And that Rosenkavalier trio is wonderful. I sat through Capriccio at the Met some years back to see what the fuss is about, and hated every minute of it. Well, no, I liked the last two chords. Fortunately, they did it with an intermission.

[longears]

Till especially

!!! my fave !!!

[rappy]

Well, after listening to Till while reading the score and the programme you are just struck all of a heap - that man was a pure genius. This one work is enough to love him, so I don't care that he has written many less interesting works (he has, certainly, or I just don't get them).

[marvinbrown]

As much as I love Verdi's operas and worship them I just can't stand Macbeth and Nabucco.  A few months ago Macbeth was playing on the Performance channel and I couldn't sit through 15 minutes of it.  Nabucco fairs a bit better but remains on my "avoid" list.

  marvin

[lukeottevanger]

Let me add Beethoven's 10th violin sonata, which is just boring in my opinion. He should have kept his Kreutzer-style - soft and lyrical Beethoven is nothing for me. If I want such innocent beauty, I listen to the menuet of Mendelssohn's Italian Symphony.

No, no, no- Larry's right. The 10th is something very special indeed, a completely original, self-contained masterpiece which seems very far-sighted, I think . Actually, it's the LVB Violin Sonata I return to most frequently

OTOH

Don't mind me: I'm just prickly because you find some of Beethoven's Violin Sonatas boring (whereas I love them all).

Yes, well, watch what you say about the Dvorak Violin Concerto round me, then!  One of the most seductive yet purely musical of Romantic violin concerti, IMO

[karlhenning]

Well, in two days I have seen the word "boring" applied to the Beethoven Vn Sonata No. 10, and the Brahms German Requiem.

As opinions go, ho-hum.