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Re: Stockhausen's Spaceship
« Reply #620 on: October 24, 2013, 08:01:54 AM »
Here you go. You'll have to click through to find those who studied under him at the Hochschule, as opposed to those who just had a single summer course with him. However, Claude Vivier and Wolfgang Rihm are two formal students I can name off the top of my head. (On the documentary on the Claude Vivier Reves d'un Marco Polo DVD set, one of Stockhausen's students that is less well known and whose name I forget, recounts a little of his and Vivier's days under the maestro.)

Thanks.  I see more than a few names, whose music is of more interest to me than their teacher's.

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« Reply #621 on: October 24, 2013, 08:50:17 AM »
Plenty. But what difference does it make .. with or without, he's still one of the greatest composers of all time who's had an enormous impact.

I believe you when you say it makes no difference to you, but for others, myself included, the legacy of a composer is defined not only by his music, but also can be enhanced by the work of his students.  I guess the most obvious example is Schoenberg who is known not only for his music but also by the music created by his most prominent students Anton Webern and Alban Berg.  And Messian's students have extended his legacy, in many cases, as part of developing their own unique voice.

This caused me to wonder about Stockhausen's legacy through his students.  I suppose no one wishes Stockhausen to represent a dead end.

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« Reply #622 on: October 24, 2013, 09:42:35 AM »
Plenty. But what difference does it make .. with or without, he's still one of the greatest composers of all time who's had an enormous impact.

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Re: Stockhausen's Spaceship
« Reply #623 on: October 24, 2013, 10:42:50 AM »
On October 28, www.medici.tv will air its webcast - free - of the 2012 performance of Gruppen, with Alan Gilbert and the New York Philharmonic. The program will be available through November 3.

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« Reply #624 on: November 12, 2013, 03:15:18 AM »
Is the Polydor recording of Sternklang the same as the SV? If not, how would you compare them?

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« Reply #625 on: November 12, 2013, 03:33:00 AM »
I don't particularly like that work, but yes it is the same thing.
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« Reply #626 on: November 19, 2013, 10:51:06 AM »
Soirée Stockhausen au Festival d’Automne Le 18 novembre 2013 par Michèle Tosi
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Cité de la Musique .13-XI-2013. Festival d’Automne. Karlheinz Stockhausen (1928-2007) : Trans pour orchestre et électronique ; Bassetsu Trio pour cor de basset, trompette et trombone ; Menschen hört pour sextuor vocal ; Unsichtbare Chöre pour bande magnétique à huit pistes. Marco Blaauw, trompette ; Stephen Menotti, trombone ; Fie Schouten, cor de basset ; Neue Vocalsolisten Stuttgart ; Klaus-Dieter Hesse, réalisation sonore (Trans) ; Kathinka Pasveer, collaboration à la réalisation scénique (Trans) ; Pauk Jeukendrup, réalisation sonore ; Orchestre symphonique de la SWR de Baden-Baden et Fribourg-en-Brisgau, direction : François-Xavier Roth.

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« Reply #627 on: November 19, 2013, 03:33:13 PM »
They have been having these Stockhausen soirée for years; this 2013 programme is strong .. especially the LICHT selections.
I know you don´t care much for Sternklang. Having being created around that time, what do you think of Trans?

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« Reply #628 on: November 20, 2013, 12:12:27 AM »
Kontakte, Gruppen, Hymnen, Der Jahreslauf, Stimmung, the electronics I´ve heard from Aus den Sieben Tagen and Licht and his electronic music on the whole... At the moment I´m going through Klang.

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« Reply #629 on: November 20, 2013, 05:01:48 AM »
Out of the 13 hours I´ve heard, I´m not keen on the first one. I´ll listen to it a third time, but not yet.

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« Reply #630 on: November 20, 2013, 05:08:29 AM »
Out of the 13 hours I´ve heard, I´m not keen on the first one. I´ll listen to it a third time, but not yet.

Yes, Klang is good, but it is a bit hit and miss in places, like Licht.
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« Reply #631 on: November 20, 2013, 05:09:17 AM »
The sobriety in here is a nice change.
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« Reply #632 on: November 20, 2013, 05:10:16 AM »
I know you don´t care much for Sternklang. Having being created around that time, what do you think of Trans?

FWIW, I am much more a Sternklang fan than I am of Trans, though I like them both.
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« Reply #633 on: November 20, 2013, 05:10:54 AM »
The sobriety in here is a nice change.

We're in the bubble.
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« Reply #634 on: November 20, 2013, 05:22:11 AM »
Aren't we all? Recognition is the first step . . . .
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« Reply #635 on: November 20, 2013, 08:50:15 AM »
FWIW, I am much more a Sternklang fan...
So am I.

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« Reply #636 on: November 26, 2013, 04:44:22 AM »
Powerful Cosmic Pulses. Last Sunday I crashed against it in my home premiere: today it´s entering my ears like kinfe in butter.

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« Reply #637 on: November 26, 2013, 04:58:16 AM »

A coproduction with the Wiener Taschenoper,


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« Reply #638 on: November 28, 2013, 02:30:04 PM »
Maybe it is not his intention, maybe it is just me, but I find sometimes a sense of humour in Stockhausen works (some places of Hymnen, Stimmung, Dienstag... that I can recall now). It is not as openly burlesque, so to say, as in Mauricio Kagel; it can be a nuance (like the breathings in Stimmung, or a snake-likevibrating reed after Luzifer) or a wider passage like in the red colour mantras in Hymnen... Anybody else has noticed something in that direction?
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« Reply #639 on: November 28, 2013, 02:36:28 PM »
Great you noticed too. Many listeners pass by that, I think.