The end of GMG, end of value, end of art, end of the world

[MN Dave]

I only left for bed. 

You rascal, you.

[karlhenning]

Oh, you know Poju: a little petulance, a little gratuitous profanity and ill-humor, and he comes right back.

[MN Dave]

Oh, you know Poju: a little petulance, a little gratuitous profanity and ill-humor, and he comes right back.

That's why we love him.

[71 dB]

You rascal, you.

I have been stressed up lately for certain reasons. The constant nagging of some members gets to my nerves and I need really hard to calm down and behave. Today I was furious but I calmed down... 

[karlhenning]

I have been stressed up lately for certain reasons.

So find something to do with yourself that doesn't involve having to deal with other people's opinions, if they enrage you so.  It isn't the fault of other people, that they disagree with you; that is free-thinking.  And that's why nobody takes you seriously when you try to wear The Free-Thinker's T-Shirt;  because everyone here has experience of how little tolerance you have for all of us who think independently of your own eccentricities.

Poju, somebody disagreeing with you is not "nagging."  You were told to keep away from the cool white porcelain spring

[71 dB]

So find something to do with yourself that doesn't involve having to deal with other people's opinions, if they enrage you so.  It isn't the fault of other people, that they disagree with you; that is free-thinking.  And that's why nobody takes you seriously when you try to wear The Free-Thinker's T-Shirt;  because everyone here has experience of how little tolerance you have for all of us who think independently of your own eccentricities.

Poju, somebody disagreeing with you is not "nagging."  You were told to keep away from the cool white porcelain spring

Excuse me but I have been a target of childish attacks from day one because I have unique opinions and theories. Instead of friedly curiosity people started nagging (posts about my opinions even when I have been away etc.)

My opinions have value becuase they question the dominant assumptions. Wasn't it nice Mendelssohn fought for Bach so we have plenty of bach recordings to listen to. Without Mendelssohn Bach would be just as neglected as Fasch is.

I don't get your porcelain stuff, sorry.

[Wanderer]

Is there anything we can do Teiresias?  Or is it hopeless?

I think it's Cassandra he's channeling; the one whom nobody ever listens...

[karlhenning]

Excuse me but I have been a target of childish attacks from day one because I have unique opinions and theories.

Many other people on the forum have unique opinions and theories.  So that's not the issue.

[karlhenning]

No one buys your "oh, I am the persecuted innocent" dog-&-poju show, either.

Hardly a day passes where you don't tell someone whose opinion differs to yours that he is "obviously unsophisticated" and that his opinion is "complete BS."

For someone who "doesn't want to be hostile," you do it very naturally.

[BachQ]

dog-&-poju show

Brilliant.  0:) Utterly brilliant.  0:)

[MN Dave]

I wish you guys would ignore each other.

[(poco) Sforzando]

My opinions have value becuase they question the dominant assumptions. Wasn't it nice Mendelssohn fought for Bach so we have plenty of bach recordings to listen to. Without Mendelssohn Bach would be just as neglected as Fasch is.

Sorry, but that's not true at all. It shouldn't be forgotten that Mozart was born only six years after the death of Bach. At that time musical style was undergoing a sea change from the contrapuntal idiom of the Baroque to the new galant and rococo idioms that eventually solidified into high classical style in the work of Haydn, Mozart, and later Beethoven. This was a time in music history where new work was continually expected and there was no sense of a standard repertory being preserved for posterity. Nonetheless, Bach was never really "neglected"; there was simply less use for his cantatas in church services, but the keyboard works remained alive, Beethoven having been instructed primarily in his boyhood by learning the Well-tempered Klavier (which would taken place around 1780, some 50 years before Mendelssohn revived the St. Matthew). And for Mozart, the discovery of a Bach motet was a major turning point in his brief career. Unfortunately due to Wilhelm Friedemann's dissolute carelessness, many of the Bach works entrusted to him as a legacy were lost; however Karl Phillip Emanuel took excellent care of the works left to him, and he would hardly have done so had he not revered the compositional genius of his father. Fasch, whom I only know by name, had nothing like the degree of advocacy shown to the great Johann Sebastian. And so "the dominant assumption" holds true.

(Edited to add a parenthesis.)

[71 dB]

I wish you guys would ignore each other.

Definitely a good wish MN Dave! I would save time & nerves ignoring. 

[MN Dave]

Definitely a good wish MN Dave! I would save time & nerves ignoring. 

Make it so. 

[Josquin des Prez]

Make it so. 

Shut it. I for one like their banter.

[MN Dave]

Shut it. I for one like their banter.

I don't care what you like.

[Josquin des Prez]

Hardly a day passes where you don't tell someone whose opinion differs to yours that he is "obviously unsophisticated" and that his opinion is "complete BS."

That's not necessarily bad per-se, he just doesn't have anything to back his claims. Ok, so we like simple music, but how is Brahms simple, while Elgar is not?

[71 dB]

how is Brahms simple, while Elgar is not?

Brahms is not simple. I like Brahms but he is a bit "gray" and "dry". His Requiem was a disappointment but I need to hear it again.

[karlhenning]

That's not necessarily bad per-se, he just doesn't have anything to back his claims. Ok, so we like simple music, but how is Brahms simple, while Elgar is not?

The point that Poju likes to use "simplicity" as a vague bludgeon for music he doesn't twig, is very well taken.

[karlhenning]

I like Brahms but he is a bit "gray" and "dry".

Oh, not any of the Brahms I know.

The Elgar First has its insufferable dry and grey patches, though.