The end of GMG, end of value, end of art, end of the world

[MN Dave]

Oh, not any of the Brahms I know.

The Elgar First has its insufferable dry and grey patches, though.

Brahms can be dry at times. I really believe this. Or maybe it's the performers.

[(poco) Sforzando]

Yeah but how do you talk about music when you are not allowed to have objective values? We had a thread about the definition of greatness once, and the general agreement was that there is no such thing as greatness. Where do you go from there? Should i begin a thread extolling all the qualities of late Beethoven which i find so transfixing, when all it comes down to is that I like it, while somebody else may not? Actually, is there even somebody here that doesn't like something, anything? Careful, you may offend somebody's tastes with your answer.

No, "I like it" is not what at all comes down to. A person may like a work more or less at different points in his lifetime, but the work itself remains what it is. I think a thread extolling the qualities of late Beethoven that you find so transfixing is an excellent idea; however that sort of thing takes much more effort than simply saying you like it or listing your favorite recordings. But generations of sensitive listeners starting from Schubert, Mendelssohn, and Wagner have considered the later works of Beethoven among the most transcendent of musical experiences, and they have won over those who thought Beethoven in his last decade to be a raving madman incapable of coherent musical thought. Whereas the Grosse Fuge received virtually no performances throughout the 19th century, today's musically aware listeners are more likely to echo the intense admiration of a Stravinsky, who thought this amazing work to be a thoroughly contemporary piece that will be contemporary forever. Minority opinions on Internet music forums notwithstanding, the battle for late Beethoven has been decisively won.

[karlhenning]

Brahms can be dry at times. I really believe this.

Well, with the qualifier "at times," it's another kettle of tilapia.

[m_gigena]

I know you all think I'm nuts so I don't mind underlining against my better judgement that the long term deterioration of comment and trash software performance of this site parallels exactly  what's been happening hundreds and thousands of times in our society in recent years

That's prejudice. Some of us think you are a sad man, not a crazy one.

I'm getting off the boat altogether.

With the new free time, you can join NAMBLA*

http://www.youtube.com/v/aN5MUb3TgN0

How? With a monotonous excess of classical music threads like: 'How many do you have?' - 'Show them'

If this place wasn't 98% male I would vote for such arise of full frontal nudity. Meanwhile, I don't dare to ask links for those threads. 



*North American Man/Boy Love Association.

[BachQ]

(Edited to add a parenthesis.)

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(((and add some ellipses while you're at it .........)))

[MN Dave]

((still not enough parentheses ........ go back and add some more ........ please ........))

(((and add some ellipses while you're at it .........)))

D Minor's motto: You can't have too much punctuation.

[head-case]

Brahms is not simple. I like Brahms but he is a bit "gray" and "dry". His Requiem was a disappointment but I need to hear it again.

That you find Brahms "gray" and "dry" says nothing about Brahms, only about you.   0:)

[Josquin des Prez]

That you find Brahms "gray" and "dry" says nothing about Brahms, only about you.   0:)

More to the point, it says nothing about us.

[MN Dave]

That you find Brahms "gray" and "dry" says nothing about Brahms, only about you.   0:)

Duh.