The Validity of Suggestions

[Don]

Why isn't that enough? 

Simply saying "I like this recording" IS enough, assuming the poster is satisfied with the short comment.  

Are you suggesting that a poster should pay attention to what others will think of the posting?  I believe in the individual approach to these subjects.  I post when I want, write what I want and give no attention to what other board members will think of my comments.

[George]

If nothing else this thread must win the "hot topic of the day" award. It certainly has evoked some interest.

I was just thinking of how proud I am. My first topic in over a month and it's caught on like wildfire!!

[Don]

You'd need comparison experience for a lot of that, Don.

Yes, but you don't need musical training for any of it.

[George]

Simply saying "I like this recording" IS enough, assuming the poster is satisfied with the short comment. 

Are you suggesting that a poster should pay attention to what others will think of the posting?

No, no way. I am suggesting that not posting what you think because you don't think it will be enough is terrible.

I believe in the individual approach to these subjects.  I post when I want, write what I want and give no attention to what other board members will think of my comments.

That's one thing that I respect about you, even if at times I have had difficulty with it. 

[Don]

So short and concise reviews are worthless, allthough someone has listen a dozen times.
For the record, I post mostly after five or six times, and even than I wait longer before I post.
So longer post are not necessarily more informed as short ones.

Harry,

You're just a concise writer - I appreciate that.

[Don]

When someone asks me my opinion, they can't expect more than what I can give them. This hold true for how much or how little I can give.

Actually, they can expect anything they want.  But you can't give them more than what you have to offer.  This is a one-way street.

[MN Dave]

Sure, but  all ignore them (and to me, that includes just folks in a bad mood) then what you have is one disgruntled user, rather than two/three/twenty people fighting/bickering.

IF!

[Don]

That's one thing that I respect about you, even if at times I have had difficulty with it. 

Well, I would like to always be polite and understanding.  But like all humans, I have my "hot buttons" that sometimes color my responses.

[Josquin des Prez]

although the complete absence of any musical training does limit my perceptions.

Not sure while would this be a problem. Music exists in sounds, not in theory, therefore having any real knowledge of the latter doesn't guarantee true understanding of the first. They are complete separate entities.

I don't know the single speck of music theory and yet i had an extended argument once with somebody who simply couldn't wrap his head around Bach. He would bring up scores (which i could not read), and i had to answer with concrete musical samples (which he couldn't understand). Eventually he got the idea but it was a frustrating process, also because he kept doubting my words on account of my theoretical vacuum. Parroting things you memorized form a book just isn't knowledge.

[Don]

No, no way. I am suggesting that not posting what you think because you don't think it will be enough is terrible.

A little courage is needed in the above situation, but just a little.

[Great Gable]

Not sure while would this be a problem. Music exists in sounds, not in theory, therefore having any real knowledge of the latter doesn't guarantee true understanding of the first. They are complete separate entities.

I don't know the single speck of music theory and yet i had an extended argument once with somebody who simply couldn't wrap his head around Bach. He would bring up scores (which i could not read), and i had to answer with concrete musical samples (which he couldn't understand). Eventually he got the idea but it was a frustrating process, also because he kept doubting my words on account of my theoretical vacuum.

Well I feel it limits me. I don't know the correct terminology of musical structure, for example, and that, by very definition, has a knock-on effect on what I can say. It doesn't stop me from saying that I either like or dislike a piece but it stops me from giving a reasonable and exhaustive reason why I have come to my opinion. Of course that must be taken into account by both critic and reader.

[Mark]

Parroting things you memorized form a book just isn't knowledge.

With this I could not agree more. But don't get me started on university education ...

[71 dB]

Music exists in sounds, not in theory, therefore having any real knowledge of the latter doesn't guarantee true understanding of the first.

I have brought this up several times. I think some musically educated people don't really understand (complex) music manifested as sounds.

I don't know the single speck of music theory

Wow, I might know more than you! 

and yet i had an extended argument once with somebody who simply couldn't wrap his head around Bach. He would bring up scores (which i could not read), and i had to answer with concrete musical samples (which he couldn't understand). Eventually he got the idea but it was a frustrating process, also because he kept doubting my words on account of my theoretical vacuum. Parroting things you memorized form a book just isn't knowledge.

Yes. I have figured out that counterpoint is especially difficult to crasp for many.

[Josquin des Prez]

Yes. I have figured out that counterpoint is especially difficult to crasp for many.

You mean kinda like Brahms (arguably the greatest contrapuntist of his day) is dry and lacks in complexity? 

[Don]

Yes. I have figured out that counterpoint is especially difficult to crasp for many.

What's difficult about two or more melodies played at the same time?  All you gotta do is listen.

[71 dB]

You mean kinda like Brahms (arguably the greatest contrapuntist of his day) is dry and lacks in complexity? 

Brahms is complex and dry.

[71 dB]

What's difficult about two or more melodies played at the same time?  All you gotta do is listen.

Yes, but many find it difficult!

[Harry]

Brahms is complex and dry.

Complex it is my friend, but dry, no I don't think so, rather juicy I would say.

[MN Dave]

Complex it is my friend, but dry, no I don't think so, rather juicy I would say.

Some of it's juicy. Some of it's dry.

[Harry]

Yes, but many find it difficult!

The older you get, and the more you have listened Poju,that is instrumental in listening to 10 melodies at the same time if so needed.