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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11480 on: December 17, 2017, 07:47:31 PM »
The third piece from King Alfred does need to be recorded.  Just record enough of the succeeding dialogue to give the listener an idea of why the music breaks off.

I mean,  singers do bleeding chunks that break off suddenly all the time...it's no stretch for a bleeding chunk which the composer himself breaks off.

There is a Mass which can be called predecessor to LvB 9:. his own Missa Solemnis.

I would like to hear it, although I'm not sure it has even been published yet, Landon did the others but said he didn't bother with this. Maybe one day. Do you have the Hickox disk?  It is also in the Complete Masses, but this cover was too perfect. :)

Yes, being as they are back-to-back works, the influence of one on the other is practically inevitable. I always thought of the Choral Fantasy as a real preview of the 4th movement of the 9th.... :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11481 on: December 17, 2017, 08:01:38 PM »
Don't have the Chandos recordings: the Naxos set and the Decca set that involves Gardiner are what I have.

Maybe we can start a GoFundMe campaign to record that duet.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11482 on: December 17, 2017, 08:04:41 PM »
Don't have the Chandos recordings: the Naxos set and the Decca set that involves Gardiner are what I have.

Maybe we can start a GoFundMe campaign to record that duet.

Boy, if that was do-able; I have a nice list of never-been-recorded Haydn, they would be perfect to get done before the next set of London Symphonies hits the shelves. :-\

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11483 on: December 18, 2017, 07:10:52 PM »
I was just thinking how interesting it would be do to some sort of comparison of Haydn with his brother Michael. It might be interesting to compare what they were doing, how much they might have followed each other (or not), influences that were the same or different, etc. Not saying we expect you to do it or anything, just one of those, "Hey, that would be interesting moments." 
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11484 on: December 18, 2017, 07:18:03 PM »
I was just thinking how interesting it would be do to some sort of comparison of Haydn with his brother Michael. It might be interesting to compare what they were doing, how much they might have followed each other (or not), influences that were the same or different, etc. Not saying we expect you to do it or anything, just one of those, "Hey, that would be interesting moments."

I agree, it certainly would be nice to know a lot more than we do.

I've actually done quite a bit of the research, in a 'by-the-way' sort of manner so far. There are no extant letters between them, sadly, but they did have moments where they met or at least intended to, and it seems they must have been in fairly regular contact even though we don't know what was said.  I can tell you that when we get past the turn of the century, Michael will enter the discussion at least two or three times, far more than he has to date. Apparently, travel between Vienna and Salzburg in those days was not common.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11485 on: December 19, 2017, 04:56:30 AM »
“I compose music because I must give expression to my feelings, just as I talk because I must give utterance to my thoughts.”  --- Rachmaninoff

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11486 on: December 19, 2017, 05:12:52 AM »
Excellent. Thanks a lot!

Back at'cha! Glad you enjoyed. :)

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« Reply #11487 on: December 19, 2017, 05:17:34 AM »
Back at'cha! Glad you enjoyed. :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11488 on: December 19, 2017, 05:20:41 AM »
Your work is priceless. I humbly bow to your devotion and passion.

Thank you. Sometimes I wish I wasn't the only person doing this, it's a monumental task. Fortunately, I love it, so I carry on happily. It's scary to think that if I was writing a book(s), this would just be an outline!! :o :o   :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11489 on: December 19, 2017, 05:30:44 AM »
Thank you. Sometimes I wish I wasn't the only person doing this, it's a monumental task. Fortunately, I love it, so I carry on happily. It's scary to think that if I was writing a book(s), this would just be an outline!! :o :o   :)

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Well, you should seriously consider assembling all the chapters in chronological order into a full pdf book(let). That would be an awesome and handy resource.
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11490 on: December 19, 2017, 05:39:33 AM »
Well, you should seriously consider assembling all the chapters in chronological order into a full pdf book(let). That would be an awesome and handy resource.

I'll have to give that some consideration. It will take some serious editing to turn it into something readable in that format, but what the heck, it could happen. :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11491 on: December 19, 2017, 05:53:50 AM »
There’s no place like da Haus for the holidays!
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11492 on: December 19, 2017, 06:29:20 AM »
There’s no place like da Haus for the holidays!

I played a couple of Haydn Christmas pastorella's last night. Made me want to toss a log on the fire... 0:)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11493 on: December 19, 2017, 06:32:59 AM »
I played a couple of Haydn Christmas pastorella's last night.

Any recommendation for recordings?
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11494 on: December 19, 2017, 07:33:00 AM »
Any recommendation for recordings?

This one is the only one I know. It also has some Christmas Night songs from Michael as well as Gruber's original version of Stille Nacht. PI, of course...

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11495 on: December 19, 2017, 01:40:43 PM »
This one is the only one I know. It also has some Christmas Night songs from Michael as well as Gruber's original version of Stille Nacht. PI, of course...

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Ordered that just now. Hopefully it will arrive within the next few days and I can play it at my parents-in-law's home on Christmas Eve. They love music of the classical period. Brahms, for example, is too modern for them  :D

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11496 on: December 19, 2017, 01:48:48 PM »
Ordered that just now. Hopefully it will arrive within the next few days and I can play it at my parents-in-law's home on Christmas Eve. They love music of the classical period. Brahms, for example, is too modern for them  :D

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Cool, my kind of folks. :)  The Austrian things are very traditional and very nice, both the Haydn brothers did well, IMO. I know nothing about Gruber except for Silent Night.... :-\

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11497 on: December 19, 2017, 01:59:24 PM »
Boy, sure been quiet in da Haus:P

That's because you've been quiet! But your new article rectifies that. Superb read. I like how you fearlessly speculate on the circumstances of the mass creations despite the lack of concrete evidence. Taking on the "experts": brave and thought provoking.

Listening to the Heiligmesse now (Weil, Tafelmusick).

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11498 on: December 19, 2017, 05:19:02 PM »
Revisiting the Naxos set of masses and focusing just on the last 6 masses is high on my to do list. Not that the earlier ones aren't worthwhile, but I do feel I should become more familiar with the late ones.  It's over a year since my first set of listens.
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11499 on: December 19, 2017, 05:47:53 PM »
That's because you've been quiet! But your new article rectifies that. Superb read. I like how you fearlessly speculate on the circumstances of the mass creations despite the lack of concrete evidence. Taking on the "experts": brave and thought provoking.

Listening to the Heiligmesse now (Weil, Tafelmusick).

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Thanks for saying that, Sarge, I appreciate it. I guess you can tell that sometimes I get tired of reading speculation disguised as fact. I'm like "hell, I can do that...".  :)

That's a really nice version, too. I'll check back into it as soon as Symphony #39 is over. :)

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