Haydn's Haus

[SonicMan46]

.......Another attraction is that the complete Baryton Trios are in there, the only existing recordings of the whole thing. That would even make it worthwhile for Sonic!.................

Gurn - I wish you had not made the statement above!    Can always 'tolerate' some more Haydn baryton works!  In fact (and not Papa Joe), just ordered the Baryton Trios below in a MDT order - lookin' forward to the listening experience!  Dave 

[Martin Lind]

But again, your idea of listening thoroughly to the disks you already have is a very good one.

Listening to works more often is always a good idea. When I was a young guy, LPs were much more expansive but I got to know certain works ( the symponies of Bruckner, Mahler and Sibelius) very intensely. Now CDs are very cheap, one buys a lot of them and listens to a lot of them and the genuin intensity is often missing.

But I see my 1400 CDs more and more as a "personal library". True, I have listened to a lot of them, but not to everything.

Today I listened again to some Haydn symphonies. 94, 100 and 101. All splendid symphonies, 100 was always my favourite, but 101 is splendid! The Andante and this trio of the menuett is really absolutely marvelous!

Regards
Martin

[Gurn Blanston]

Gurn - I wish you had not made the statement above!    Can always 'tolerate' some more Haydn baryton works!  In fact (and not Papa Joe), just ordered the Baryton Trios below in a MDT order - lookin' forward to the listening experience!  Dave 

Well, all 126 of them would certainly be a pleasure to hear, even if only, say, 75% of them were really masterpieces.

That Tomasini disk looks very interesting. I haven't heard baryton works by anyone else but Haydn (and only 20 or so of those), so it would be nice to hear a different take on the potential of this instrument. Thanks for pointing that out.



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Listening to:
Mozart - Fuge aus J. S. Bachs Wohltemperiertem Klavier (K. 405. 3), Livre II: Fugue No. 9 en Mi Majeur, BWV 878 (Transcription pour deux violons, alto & basse)

[Gurn Blanston]

Listening to works more often is always a good idea. When I was a young guy, LPs were much more expansive but I got to know certain works ( the symponies of Bruckner, Mahler and Sibelius) very intensely. Now CDs are very cheap, one buys a lot of them and listens to a lot of them and the genuin intensity is often missing.

But I see my 1400 CDs more and more as a "personal library". True, I have listened to a lot of them, but not to everything.

Today I listened again to some Haydn symphonies. 94, 100 and 101. All splendid symphonies, 100 was always my favourite, but 101 is splendid! The Andante and this trio of the menuett is really absolutely marvelous!

Regards
Martin

Yes, Martin, I agree with that, for sure. And even CD's weren't always so cheap; I remember well paying twice the amount for a CD than a vinyl disk, and glad to get it. We are living in a wondrous age for music lovers.

Oh yes, no doubt the second set of London Symphonies are a high point of Haydn's oeuvre. And of the Classical Era in general. The wit, originality and pure musicality that went into these works is barely matched by anything that came before, and really, they signal the end of the Classical Era for all but early Beethoven.



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Listening to:
Richter: Quatuors opus 5 - Rincontro - Quartetto oeuvre 5 en La Majeur, No. 3: I. Allegretto

[SonicMan46]

Well, all 126 of them would certainly be a pleasure to hear, even if only, say, 75% of them were really masterpieces.

That Tomasini disk looks very interesting. I haven't heard baryton works by anyone else but Haydn (and only 20 or so of those), so it would be nice to hear a different take on the potential of this instrument. Thanks for pointing that out.

Yes, Gurn - I know 'how many' DAMN baryton works that Haydn wrote!     Prince Nick just would not give him any relief -   

And I'd love to hear them all!   BTW, Tomasini worked in the same court w/ Haydn, so that CPO disc should be quite interesting for us - below just a quote from the MDT website - have a great weekend, my friend!  Dave 

LUIGI TOMASINI (1741-1808)

Five Baryton Trios - Esterházy Ensemble

Kerstin Linder-Dewan (Violin), Andras Bolyki (Viola), Maria Andrasfalvy-Bruessing (Violoncello), Michael Bruessing (Baryton)

The baryton resembles a bass viol and can be played with a bow at the front while simultaneously being plucked from the back, the resulting sound having quite an unusual resonance for a solo instrument. The instrument was popular in areas of Austria and south Germany at periodic intervals between the mid-17th and early 19th century, and works for the instrument have been composed by Haydn and Leopold Mozart among others.

Tomasini was primarily a violinst but also a composer of chamber music in the court of Prince Nikolaus von Esterhazy, in which he served as a musician for much of his life alongside Haydn. Haydn's influence on Tomasini is clear, and working for a music patron as devoted as Prince Nikolaus helped the musical output of both artists to flourish. Prince Nikolaus was a firm fan and indeed talented performer of the baryton, and consquently both Haydn and Tomasini composed several works for the instrument, the former having composed over 175 such works.

Appropriately, the Esterhazy Ensemble give fantastic performances of these trios. They are among the ensemble's favourite pieces to perform due to their huge range of inventiveness and crowd-pleasing instrumental acrobatics. The ensemble dedicates itself particularly to the baryton repertoire, and are lucky enough to have in their possession the only copy of the prince's instrument, on which these works are performed.

[Gurn Blanston]

Yes, Gurn - I know 'how many' DAMN baryton works that Haydn wrote!     Prince Nick just would not give him any relief -   

  Indeed, always pestering for more.

And I'd love to hear them all!   BTW, Tomasini worked in the same court w/ Haydn, so that CPO disc should be quite interesting for us - below just a quote from the MDT website - have a great weekend, my friend!  Dave 

On the same lines, have you heard the Duos for Violin & Viola? There are 6 of them. This is my favorite recording:



They play them on Violin & Cello instead. The resonance of the cello makes them even better, IMO. If you haven't, you should give them a go.



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Listening to:
Brahms - Works for Solo Piano - 1 - Katchen, Julius - Variations on a Theme by Paganini, Op. 35 - Book 1

[SonicMan46]

On the same lines, have you heard the Duos for Violin & Viola? There are 6 of them. This is my favorite recording:



They play them on Violin & Cello instead. The resonance of the cello makes them even better, IMO. If you haven't, you should give them a go.

Gurn - don't own those String Duos, but love that label & the cello change sounds fine to me - added to my wish list!  Thanks - Dave 

[Gurn Blanston]

Gurn - don't own those String Duos, but love that label & the cello change sounds fine to me - added to my wish list!  Thanks - Dave 

Great. You won't be disappointed. This disk was one of my early acquisitions, and I was truly surprised at how wonderful this music was. The reason I mention it, BTW, is that Haydn wrote it for himself (Viola) and Tomasini (Violin) to play in the evening while entertaining HM. Sort os a link there...



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Listening to:
Brahms - Works for Solo Piano - 1 - Katchen, Julius - Variationen und Fuge op. 24 on a Theme by Handel

[Bogey]

  Indeed, always pestering for more.

On the same lines, have you heard the Duos for Violin & Viola? There are 6 of them. This is my favorite recording:



They play them on Violin & Cello instead. The resonance of the cello makes them even better, IMO. If you haven't, you should give them a go.



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Listening to:
Brahms - Works for Solo Piano - 1 - Katchen, Julius - Variations on a Theme by Paganini, Op. 35 - Book 1

Incredible disc of music Dave!  Gurn rec. it to me many moons ago.  You will love it!

[jwinter]

I'm torn on the whole Brilliant Haydn box.  Most of it I don't need -- I already have Fischer's symphonies, and I have the Angeles Quartet SQ set, plus enough other SQ singles that I don't feel the need for a 2nd complete SQ set.  I also have the Beaux Arts piano trios, and the piano sonatas on both piano and fortepiano/harpsichord, so I think I'm good there as well.  However, I'd really like to hear the baryton works!  Has anyone heard if Brilliant will be releasing them separately?

[The new erato]

I'm torn on the whole Brilliant Haydn box.  Most of it I don't need -- I already have Fischer's symphonies, and I have the Angeles Quartet SQ set, plus enough other SQ singles that I don't feel the need for a 2nd complete SQ set.  I also have the Beaux Arts piano trios, and the piano sonatas on both piano and fortepiano/harpsichord, so I think I'm good there as well.  However, I'd really like to hear the baryton works!  Has anyone heard if Brilliant will be releasing them separately?

I see the songs now on a Brilliant triple, so I guess we will see the box broken down. My situation is much like yours, the BA in the trios, Kodaly/Mosaique in the quartets, Dorati and tons of individual discs (Kuijken, Harnoncorut, Pinnock, Jacobs, Jochum) in the symphionies, a goodly selection of operas with Dorati and Harnoncourt, C Schornsheim in the sonatas with additional single discs, and I WANT the the barytone trios!

[SonicMan46]

Guys - attached are the discs that I currently own of the baryton works - not sure how many are still in print, but can certainly recommend them - Dave 

[DavidW]

I'm torn on the whole Brilliant Haydn box.  Most of it I don't need -- I already have Fischer's symphonies, and I have the Angeles Quartet SQ set, plus enough other SQ singles that I don't feel the need for a 2nd complete SQ set.  I also have the Beaux Arts piano trios, and the piano sonatas on both piano and fortepiano/harpsichord, so I think I'm good there as well.  However, I'd really like to hear the baryton works!  Has anyone heard if Brilliant will be releasing them separately?

The SQ set isn't complete anyway.  The whole "complete" in the marketing is actually a lie.  It's missing most of the masses, most of the operas, some of the string quartets, and plenty of other odds and ends.  Even the baryton set isn't complete!  Just look at the amazon reviews, for once the reviews are extremely helpful.  I'm not a believer in complete box sets anymore, but still I don't like false advertising.  In fact, I kind of thought it was illegal.

I think I'm like I would prefer to just have a barytons set by itself, that would be the only thing I would buy the set for.

[Lethevich]

The SQ set isn't complete anyway.  The whole "complete" in the marketing is actually a lie.  It's missing most of the masses, most of the operas, some of the string quartets, and plenty of other odds and ends.  Even the baryton set isn't complete!  Just look at the amazon reviews, for once the reviews are extremely helpful.

Same here, the Amazon reviews alerted me to it and the seemingly random missing SQs are what kept me from buying it in the end...

[The new erato]

The SQ set isn't complete anyway.  The whole "complete" in the marketing is actually a lie.  It's missing most of the masses, most of the operas, some of the string quartets, and plenty of other odds and ends.  Even the baryton set isn't complete!  Just look at the amazon reviews, for once the reviews are extremely helpful.  I'm not a believer in complete box sets anymore, but still I don't like false advertising.  In fact, I kind of thought it was illegal.

But it's only vol 1.

[Gurn Blanston]

But it's only vol 1.

And the SQ's aren't all there because the cycle isn't completed yet. Not because they wrong-headedly decided to not include them all.

And yes, this was, at release time, billed as Volume I. They could easily do another 100 disks...

[DavidW]

But it's only vol 1.

But it's not in the product description, and there's no big "volume 1" in the picture of the box either, and it doesn't appear in the title.  That is false advertising.  Did I miss something?

[The new erato]

But it's not in the product description, and there's no big "volume 1" in the picture of the box either, and it doesn't appear in the title.  That is false advertising.  Did I miss something?

It's been discussed here, and Harry had some information. I don't remember which thread unfortunately.

[Bogey]

It's been discussed here, and Harry had some information. I don't remember which thread unfortunately.

Here it be:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9423.0.html

[Gabriel]

Hi to everyone after a long silence!

I bought in France the "complete Haydn" set by Brilliant, and it came with a sticker that said, literally, "vol. 1". I guess that we will have the vol. 2 during 2009 (celebrating the bicentenary), possibly with 100 or more CDs as Gurn pointed out.

Fortunately I hadn't bought the Fischer cycle. Comparing it to the Dorati is delightful, but I cannot speak for all the cycle, because I haven't finished it. (For instance, in symphony n. 70, one of my favorite, the prize is awarded to Dorati). Both are excellent.

The 3 CDs of Lieder sung by Elly Ameling are truly delightful. As I liked her Mozart cycle, it was no surprise.

(I read somewhere that the Baryton Trios will be also sold separately, so do not get in despair, Haydn fans!)