Beauty

[Kullervo]

I am sick to death of people asking broad, supposedly philosophical questions like "What is beauty?" "What is Man?" "What is truth?" without seriously intending to investigate the reasons for our perception of these foundations of our thought. Beauty, truth, love, man, — standing alone, mean absolutely nothing.

[Josquin des Prez]

That, my friend, will always be in the eye of the beholder.

I think i may have a bit of a problem with that. Beholders come in different shapes and sizes and some of them are pretty rotten inside.

I like to believe in a universal ideal of beauty, the nature of which, however, will always remain elusive.

[Haffner]

Beholders come in different shapes and sizes and some of them are pretty rotten inside.

This is a very interesting point.

[Mark]

I think i may have a bit of a problem with that. Beholders come in different shapes and sizes and some of them are pretty rotten inside.

You'll always have that problem ... unless you know how to change those rotten beholders.

[Brian]

Dude, I didn't realize classical music lovers got all the most gorgeous ladies!

*waits for his*  0:)

[Mark]

Here is a beautiful explanation of what beauty means according to Jews:

http://www.ou.org/publications/ja/5758/spring98/beauty.htm

You're soooooooooooooooooo transparent. Everything comes back to Jewishness with you, doesn't it? It's pathetic.

Yes, beauty takes many forms - the form of a woman being just one of these, if you're a red-blooded, hetrosexual male. Music contains beauty, so do words when skillfully crafted. Beauty can mean a million things and more - and no one, Saul, including you and the rest of the Jewish fraternity, has a monopoly on this.

Once again, don't start an open-ended discussion as a cover for religious propaganda. It's wonderful that you like being a Jew. But then, you've no doubt been indoctrinated since the day you were born. How can things be otherwise?

[Saul]

You're soooooooooooooooooo transparent. Everything comes back to Jewishness with you, doesn't it? It's pathetic.

Yes, beauty takes many forms - the form of a woman being just one of these, if you're a red-blooded, hetrosexual male. Music contains beauty, so do words when skillfully crafted. Beauty can mean a million things and more - and no one, Saul, including you and the rest of the Jewish fraternity, has a monopoly on this.

Once again, don't start an open-ended discussion as a cover for religious propaganda. It's wonderful that you like being a Jew. But then, you've no doubt been indoctrinated since the day you were born. How can things be otherwise?

What are you talking about?

I am not allowed to give a philosophical answer from my own religion about my own question?

You make sense?

[Ephemerid]

You really think its mature to answer this question with a photo of a woman?

Well, Haffner, Sarge & Mark didn't just put up "a photo of a woman" but specifically with women they love and who love them.  Love adds that extra dimension which is what makes them more than JUST a pretty face.  Its not like they're just putting up porn-- its not just ANY woman. 

[Ephemerid]

I am not allowed to give a philosophical answer from my own religion about my own question?

Certainly, but its getting really old & its starting to border on self-parody.

[Mark]

What are you talking about?

I am not allowed to give a philosophical answer from my own religion about my own question?

You make sense?

Saul, I'm done with your passive-aggressive responses whenever you're challenged about your incessant religious agenda. If I could ban your ass outta here, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Not because I'm a fan of censorship, but because you make a mockery of the purpose of a classical music forum by treating it as your own personal soapbox, from the top of which you preach your faith like you think that's why this place exists. So, as I can't ban you, I'll chuck myself out instead.

[Haffner]

Saul, I'm done with your passive-aggressive responses whenever you're challenged about your incessant religious agenda. If I could ban your ass outta here, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Not because I'm a fan of censorship, but because you make a mockery of the purpose of a classical music forum by treating it as your own personal soapbox, from the top of which you preach your faith like you think that's why this place exists. So, as I can't ban you, I'll chuck myself out instead.

Mark , don't check out. I don't know why Saul has to seem to push his religious views at times. At other times, he comes across as an intelligent, thoughtful poster. Maybe he just doesn't like you or something, but you're certainly well liked by many others here...including me.

[Brian]

Mark! You know that was the wrong thing to do.    You should know not to punish yourself and your friends, including Haffner and me, for paying attention to the irritating practices of someone else. You do yourself injustice, my friend, and you let the Sauls of the forum win their battle to control the board's tenor. I hope that you will return soon and rebuild your formidable post count, once your head has cleared a little bit. We'll miss you a great deal otherwise.

[Saul]

I cant understand why he was angry.

I asked what is beauty, some people answered with photographs of their girlfriends, and I gave a link explaining what Beauty means according to my beliefs. No one had to read that link, I didn't ask anyone to read it, I just provided the link. Why is it that people get irritated from this? Why would anyone bother or care about it? This is my view! and I like to point my views through a religious medium many times. No one has to agree with me, and no one has to believe in what I write, no one has to open the links I post , no one has to read my posts, But, I think that everyone has the right to post their thoughts and ideas whatever they may be. Someone wants to post a photograph of a beautiful woman and that should make me want to ban them from the site, or leave the site myself?

So I am a religious person who connects my faith to many topics in this board, why is this so not acceptable? Would I care if a Catholic or a Baptist do the same?

NOT AT ALL...but I just don't get why people are so negative about this so much...

[Saul]

Well, Haffner, Sarge & Mark didn't just put up "a photo of a woman" but specifically with women they love and who love them.  Love adds that extra dimension which is what makes them more than JUST a pretty face.  Its not like they're just putting up porn-- its not just ANY woman. 

Whos wife is Sophia?

[Saul]

Certainly, but its getting really old & its starting to border on self-parody.

That's your opinion...

For example , my opinion about your opinion is that its pointless...

Would that stop you from posting in the future just because Saul thinks that this particular opinion of yours is pointless?

[Operahaven]

What is Beauty?

This, my friend, is what beauty is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw_QMIgkbyY

[Saul]

This, my friend, is what beauty is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw_QMIgkbyY

It is indeed beautiful, but I think it doesnt explain what beauty is. It may be an example of a beautiful thing, but its not what beauty is.

[DavidW]

What is Beauty?

Think of all the uninspired lazy threads I could come up with in the same spirit!

"What is Beethoven?"

"What is sublime?"

"What is wubba wubba?"

"What is love?  Baby don't hurt me no more..."

It just goes on and on.   

[BachQ]

"What is wubba wubba?"

Do tell .........

[Ephemerid]

That's your opinion...

For example , my opinion about your opinion is that its pointless...

Would that stop you from posting in the future just because Saul thinks that this particular opinion of yours is pointless?

Dude, you asked....