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Did I miss any?  You can only choose 1. ;D ;D >:D

Goodman & Hogwood in a tie. Voted for Goodman but could have voted for Hogwood easily enough. Rather a difficult question, really. :-\

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Goodman's performances are wonderful, features some of my favorites (No.86 being one of them), I also really love Fischer's, (only one of these three to have recorded two of my absolute Haydn tops, No.80 and 98) and I have to give a huge nod to Fey, this forum seems to be quite split on his accounts, but I get more chills down my spine from these discs (No.39 and 44 first come to mind) than others, it's really difficult for me to pick one out of these three.

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 14, 2012, 04:38:57 PM
Rather a difficult question, really. :-\

This.

But I voted Goodman, as an overall summation I think this is the way to go. I would miss Fey's intensity and Fischer's romantic qualities. But I'll play along and just pick one.

Hogwood.

Since I heard one album from Hogwood's cycle, I guess it's Goodman!

Quote from: DavidW on October 14, 2012, 04:33:26 PM
Did I miss any?

Marzendorfer!

Hogwood, hands down. Kuijken when "completism" isn't a concern.

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 14, 2012, 04:38:57 PM
Voted for Goodman but could have voted for Hogwood easily enough.

I'm fairly certain that you must have gone over the reason once before (or more) in the forum, but could you please tell us, one more time, why you have chosen Goodman over Hogwood?

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With the release of Lyre-bird box, I think it's a good opportunity for Hyperion (and us!) if they also release a box of Goodman's Haydn.

  Am I going to be the only person here to cast a vote for the Fischer cycle?? 

  Seriously for someone who has had a slight aversion to Haydn (I avoided him for many years!!) I can honestly say that ever since buying the Fischer Cycle I can not stop listening to it.  For that alone it deserves my vote......and what's to not to like:

  1) the set is COMPLETE
  2) sound quality is EXCELLENT
  3) fischer's interpretation emphasizes the LYRICAL (this suites me just fine)
 

  marvin

Quote from: Daverz on October 14, 2012, 05:57:51 PM
Marzendorfer!

I thought you were swearing at me for a second! ;D

Quote from: marvinbrown on October 15, 2012, 01:03:20 AM

  Am I going to be the only person here to cast a vote for the Fischer cycle?? 

I'm surprised too, I thought the forum would vote for Fischer.  Now I know what I'm preordering from jpc... Hogwood!  Well I'll let more people vote in.

Fey

Fischer for completeness (and price). Fey for interpretive uniqueness and fire (and, fingers crossed, eventual completion)--gets my vote. I really like Hogwood too but there is no Stumbling Goat or Cat, and never will be  :(

Sarge

This thread is reminding me that I have yet to finish listening to the Fischer cycle . . . .

Quote from: karlhenning on October 15, 2012, 04:12:19 AM
This thread is reminding me that I have yet to finish listening to the Fischer cycle . . . .

Not surprising...there is a lot to listen to  :)

Sarge

Quote from: Opus106 on October 15, 2012, 12:49:48 AM
I'm fairly certain that you must have gone over the reason once before (or more) in the forum, but could you please tell us, one more time, why you have chosen Goodman over Hogwood?

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With the release of Lyre-bird box, I think it's a good opportunity for Hyperion (and us!) if they also release a box of Goodman's Haydn.

I picked individual performances when I was choosing symphonies, not cycles. I like that the Hogwood has more music in it, the more the merrier for MY money! In the early symphonies, where the band isn't but a dozen players or so, Hogwood's eschewing of continuo shows up as a negative for me. That's why most of my early choices are Goodman and Solomons. Later on, of course this matters far less as you can scarcely hear it anyway. But there is a lot more competition then too. So, in sum, mainly because of the super job Goodman does with the early works. :)

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I don't have one and don't know any well enough to offer a meaningful opinion. As a fan of HIP period instrument performance, I'm partial to the late symphonies recordings I have by Kuijken, Minkowski, and Brüggen, but none are close to complete. Guess I need to hear some Goodman & Hogwood, neither of whom usually appeal much to me (where's the 'ugh' emoticon?).

Fey!  (Then Harnoncourt, although I do not know if he reached the 50% level with his Concertgebouw and CMW recordings).

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 15, 2012, 04:15:12 AM
Not surprising...there is a lot to listen to  :)

Aye, Sarge, which is one of the Good Things.  Probably take me a little bit of researching even to find out where I left off in my chronological survey . . . of I could just start from the beginning again . . . .

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 04:15:22 AMSo, in sum, mainly because of the super job Goodman does with the early works. :)

I could do some research and find the answer....but you probably have it readily at hand: how many symphonies did Goodman complete before they pulled the plug on his cycle? I own 25 (1-5, 17-21, 45-47, 70-78, 90-92) but I know there are more.

Sarge

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 15, 2012, 05:29:58 AM
I could do some research and find the answer....but you probably have it readily at hand: how many symphonies did Goodman complete before they pulled the plug on his cycle? I own 25 (1-5, 17-21, 45-47, 70-78, 90-92) but I know there are more.

Sarge

He did 1-25 complete. He did 31 on Nimbus (lovely performance with Halstead leading the horns), then jump up to 42-50. Then another big skip to 70-78. Then the Paris 82-87. Finally, 90-95, 100, 101, 102, 104.   100 & 104 are also on Nimbus, not Hyperion.

So, it looks like 60 in all.   :)

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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 05:46:18 AM
He did 1-25 complete. He did 31 on Nimbus (lovely performance with Halstead leading the horns), then jump up to 42-50. Then another big skip to 70-78. Then the Paris 82-87. Finally, 90-95, 100, 101, 102, 104.   100 & 104 are also on Nimbus, not Hyperion.

So, it looks like 60 in all.   :)

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Thank you.

I'm one shy of a complete Haydn Symphony collection: missing 11. Goodman is an obvious choice, and his continuo doesn't bother me as much in these early symphonies (and is more appropriate as you mentioned).

Sarge

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 15, 2012, 05:57:19 AM
I'm one shy of a complete Haydn Symphony collection: missing 11.

An extraordinary (but, I see, only temporary) state of affairs, mon cher : )

Quote from: karlhenning on October 15, 2012, 06:01:00 AM
An extraordinary (but, I see, only temporary) state of affairs, mon cher : )

Instead of going the big box route, I decided to collect individual CDs and smaller boxes. Began in the late 80s with the Davis/Concertgebouw Hen and Bear, Mack's 31 & 45, and Szell's Londons. It's been a fun quarter century 8)

Sarge

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 15, 2012, 05:57:19 AM

Thank you.

I'm one shy of a complete Haydn Symphony collection: missing 11. Goodman is an obvious choice, and his continuo doesn't bother me as much in these early symphonies (and is more appropriate as you mentioned).

Sarge

Obvious, and a good one too. 9-12 are some interesting works, especially #12 in E major.

Actually, I have done the symphonies the same way that you did. The Fischer was a combination of fallback + default acquisition when I bought the Big Box, which I did for other reasons than the symphonies. Not to say that I object to having them; I think they are the #1 choice for anyone wanting a complete set.  :)

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Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 15, 2012, 06:24:29 AM
Instead of going the big box route, I decided to collect individual CDs and smaller boxes. Began in the late 80s with the Davis/Concertgebouw Hen and Bear, Mack's 31 & 45, and Szell's Londons. It's been a fun quarter century 8)

You and Gurn, my dear fellow: you were Haydnistas before it was hip : )

Quote from: karlhenning on October 15, 2012, 06:56:24 AM
You and Gurn, my dear fellow: you were Haydnistas before it was hip : )

Although I'm much younger than Sarge; only 20 years for me!  :)

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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 07:13:03 AM
Although I'm much younger than Sarge; only 20 years for me!  :)

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Hah! : )

Well, there is this curious state of affairs where I have actually listened to a Haydn symphony which Sarge has not (momentarily committing the logical fallacy of equating Sarge does not own x with Sarge has never heard x): the Eleventh.

But do I remember the piece? Well . . . .

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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 04:15:22 AM
I picked individual performances when I was choosing symphonies, not cycles. I like that the Hogwood has more music in it, the more the merrier for MY money! In the early symphonies, where the band isn't but a dozen players or so, Hogwood's eschewing of continuo shows up as a negative for me. That's why most of my early choices are Goodman and Solomons. Later on, of course this matters far less as you can scarcely hear it anyway. But there is a lot more competition then too. So, in sum, mainly because of the super job Goodman does with the early works. :)

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Thank you, Gurn.

Quote from: sanantonio on October 15, 2012, 07:38:08 AM
Imo, the Fischer set is excellent and amazingly consistent.  It is a solid choice for someone wanting all the symphonies, and while not my introduction to the symphonies, it was a set I bought fairly early on (I also bought the Solti set but prefer the Fischer).  Previously I had the more famous works done by Bernstein, Szell and a couple of others that escape my memory.  It was only later than I began looking for PI recordings and over time accumulated several sets or semi-sets of those - which have become my favorites.

In terms of complete sets, Fischer is far and away the pick of the litter. Dorati is a landmark, and if one collects historic recordings, then it is hard to imagine a collection without it. I was (and still am) stunned when Sony released Davies last year. Questions of quality or any other consideration notwithstanding (and there are some) one can only say "Why?". Where was the compelling need?  And this from a company that owns all of the Solomons recordings as well as the Weil/Tafelmusik ones. They at least re-released those, but the Solomons, probably the best set ever made, languishes in the vaults somewhere. Freaking boneheads ...  :-[  Anyway, one can put together an entire cycle (except for 79 & (most of)81) on PI and be very happy indeed. :)

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Well, of 'complete sets', Fischer is the only one I own, so he did receive my vote because the performances please me and the recording sound is generally quite good; now I would like to obtain another set and Goodman would certainly be in the running since I do have a few of his discs, but 'where' is an inexpensive box offering? (or am I missing one somewhere!).

My other Haydn symphony collections are predominately from the Paris through the London ones, and not much below those higher numbers - however will stay tuned into this thread for other possibilities!  Dave :)

Quote from: karlhenning on October 15, 2012, 07:23:54 AM
Well, there is this curious state of affairs where I have actually listened to a Haydn symphony which Sarge has not (momentarily committing the logical fallacy of equating Sarge does not own x with Sarge has never heard x): the Eleventh.

In fact, I haven't heard the 11th. Something to look forward to in my old age, eh?  :D

Sarge

Quote from: sanantonio on October 15, 2012, 07:38:08 AM
Imo, the Fischer set is excellent and amazingly consistent.

I can't speak for the whole, but what I have of Fischer's cycle is certainly good (two boxes with 21-39 and 70-81).

Sarge

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 15, 2012, 08:10:04 AM
In fact, I haven't heard the 11th. Something to look forward to in my old age, eh?  :D

I am enjoying something of a comparable feeling, Sarge, simply in having waited all this time to listen to so much Haydn. . . .

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Quote from: SonicMan46 on October 15, 2012, 08:07:23 AM
Well, of 'complete sets', Fischer is the only one I own, so he did receive my vote because the performances please me and the recording sound is generally quite good; now I would like to obtain another set and Goodman would certainly be in the running since I do have a few of his discs, but 'where' is an inexpensive box offering? (or am I missing one somewhere!).

My other Haydn symphony collections are predominately from the Paris through the London ones, and not much below those higher numbers - however will stay tuned into this thread for other possibilities!  Dave :)

No, sorry, Dave. There is no box set offering, hard to believe that Hyperion haven't taken advantage of the opportunity (as someone mentioned earlier, while the Hogwood is being boxed up).

The Pinnock set of Stürm und Dräng Symphonies is worth owning. No one has mentioned it here yet, but if you only have late works and don't want to spend lots of time and money on a nice set of early/middle works, then the <>$30 for that set is well worth your time.  :)

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Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 15, 2012, 08:17:13 AM
I can't speak for the whole, but what I have of Fischer's cycle is certainly good (two boxes with 21-39 and 70-81).

Sarge

If there really ever was a weak spot in that set it was the London's. I don't buy into that, just reporting back what was written at the time. I have found the entire set to be equally compelling.

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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 08:36:47 AM
If there really ever was a weak spot in that set it was the London's. I don't buy into that, just reporting back what was written at the time. I have found the entire set to be equally compelling.

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Interesting, Gurn. The friend who first informed me of this set remarked on the same lines; but come to think of it, I am not sure whether he was reporting hearsay, or signing on, himself.

Quote from: sanantonio on October 15, 2012, 08:43:48 AM
Yeh, I was surprised the Pinnock set had not been mentioned; you are right - it is a very good buy for that period. 

You also mentioned the Derek Solomon recordings, of which I have none.  Is there a better way to find a complete a set of these other than scouring eBay?

You won't find it that way, either. I got Vol 7 & 9, one on eBay and one on AMP. It took a few months. That's like 6 disks, but they aren't generously filled though. You can do that, and it's worth your while too. My investment is relatively small for the pleasure I got in return. The remainder I got as MP3's from an overly generous friend many moons ago. I don't use them in my surveys, but I listen to them occasionally. They just can't be had under normal circumstances. OK, maybe if someone dies and his estate goes up for sale.....  :-\

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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 07:46:30 AM

In terms of complete sets, Fischer is far and away the pick of the litter. Dorati is a landmark, and if one collects historic recordings, then it is hard to imagine a collection without it. I was (and still am) stunned when Sony released Davies last year. Questions of quality or any other consideration notwithstanding (and there are some) one can only say "Why?". Where was the compelling need? 

I'm not sure why you're perplexed about the release of the Davies set;  I think it's a good set and I really like how it was released complete instead of the dribbles that we get from Fey and most others.

I'm also not sure what you mean by "compelling need".  To be realistic, there's not any compelling need for any of these sets; anyways, that's how I see it.

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 08:34:27 AM
...while the Hogwood is being boxed up).

Something new? The multi-volume LL series appears to be OOP and I've not found a newer one via the usual suspects. Wait -- just checked jpc. They show this available at the end of this month:
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w220/front/0/0028948069002.jpg)
Nos. 1-75 plus some of the Londoners.

70 euros, makes it about 90 bucks shipped to the States.

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 06:49:07 AM
Actually, I have done the symphonies the same way that you did. The Fischer was a combination of fallback + default acquisition when I bought the Big Box, which I did for other reasons than the symphonies. Not to say that I object to having them; I think they are the #1 choice for anyone wanting a complete set.  :)

How do you like the rest of the big box?

Quote from: Sammy on October 15, 2012, 10:39:06 AM
I'm not sure why you're perplexed about the release of the Davies set;  I think it's a good set and I really like how it was released complete instead of the dribbles that we get from Fey and most others.

I'm also not sure what you mean by "compelling need".  To be realistic, there's not any compelling need for any of these sets; anyways, that's how I see it.

I like the Davies Box a lot, despite the annoyance of applause at the end of each performance.  It is my favorite truely complete set.   (I prefer it to Dorati and Fischer.)

Quote from: DavidRoss on October 15, 2012, 10:40:51 AM
Something new? The multi-volume LL series appears to be OOP and I've not found a newer one via the usual suspects. Wait -- just checked jpc. They show this available at the end of this month:
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w220/front/0/0028948069002.jpg)
Nos. 1-75 plus some of the Londoners.

70 euros, makes it about 90 bucks shipped to the States.

Oh yes, everyone's been talking about it. It's the whole ball of wax except for 76 & 77 that they sold/gave to the BBC. I paid more than that for my first 2 boxes!!  :o

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Quote from: DavidRoss on October 15, 2012, 11:13:09 AM
How do you like the rest of the big box?

I got it for the keyboard trios, the sonatas, the Scottish songs and the baryton trios. They are all excellent, so everything else is a bonus. Like the symphonies, concertos et al. I paid $140 for it, so IMO it was a great bargain.  :)

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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 11:43:20 AM
Oh yes, everyone's been talking about it. It's the whole ball of wax except for 76 & 77 that they sold/gave to the BBC. I paid more than that for my first 2 boxes!!  :o

Well, if Amazon/ideals cancels my orders, I'll be able to afford it guilt-free!

Quote from: Sammy on October 15, 2012, 10:39:06 AM
I'm not sure why you're perplexed about the release of the Davies set;  I think it's a good set and I really like how it was released complete instead of the dribbles that we get from Fey and most others.

I'm also not sure what you mean by "compelling need".  To be realistic, there's not any compelling need for any of these sets; anyways, that's how I see it.

We needed another modern instrument symphony cycle when there isn't even a single complete PI one? One with applause at every turn. With skipped repeats? I've only heard a couple of disks out of it, but it doesn't beat out Fischer in my ears, so what's the point. That's all I'm saying. Did we need that? No. If you want to go beyond that and say 'do we need anything?', yes, we do. Even Neanderthals needed music. :)

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Haydn symphonies without repeats?  Didn't the conductor do any schooling?

Quote from: karlhenning on October 15, 2012, 11:51:04 AM
Haydn symphonies without repeats?  Didn't the conductor do any schooling?

I know; sad. Anyway, I read a review of the entire box by a pretty knowledgeable fellow and his reaction was tepid. All I'm saying is that if it was going to come out in this market, it should have been knock-your-nads-in-the-dirt good. :)

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Quote from: sanantonio on October 15, 2012, 11:55:15 AM
I agree - and you didn't even mention Solti and the very representative sets by Bernstein and Szell - all of whom outshine Davis (imo).

Davis, sure -- but what about Davies?

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 11:48:38 AM
We needed another modern instrument symphony cycle when there isn't even a single complete PI one? One with applause at every turn. With skipped repeats? I've only heard a couple of disks out of it, but it doesn't beat out Fischer in my ears, so what's the point. That's all I'm saying. Did we need that? No. If you want to go beyond that and say 'do we need anything?', yes, we do. Even Neanderthals needed music. :)

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Come on Gurn.  You like Fischer better, so there's no point in Davies?  That's just a personal opinion.  My view is that there can never be enough recordings of great music.  So I tip my hat to Davies and any other conductor who might venture into a Haydn symphony set.

Quote from: sanantonio on October 15, 2012, 11:55:15 AM
I agree - and you didn't even mention Solti and the very representative sets by Bernstein and Szell - all of whom outshine Davies (imo).

The original poll specified a "majority" of the symphonies being recorded.  I think that would also rule out Solomons, Bruggen, Harnoncourt, Weil, Kuijken, and one of my Lp only favorties, Leslie Jones.  A lot of conductors recorded the London Symphonies.  Szell didn't even record all the Londons, and I wouldn't call Bernstein representative as he recorded no pre-Paris symphonies.

Quote from: Daverz on October 15, 2012, 02:31:53 PM
The original poll specified a "majority" of the symphonies being recorded.  I think that would also rule out Solomons, Bruggen, Harnoncourt, Weil, Kuijken, and one of my Lp only favorties, Leslie Jones.  A lot of conductors recorded the London Symphonies.  Szell didn't even record all the Londons, and I wouldn't call Bernstein representative as he recorded no pre-Paris symphonies.

Apparently the size of the task defeated most. As a nod to Don here, I will give tribute to Davies in that he did finish what he started!  :)

For those who are interested in PI numbers;

Hogwood       81
Goodman      60
Brüggen         42
Solomons      34
Harnoncourt  17 PI  13 MI = 30
Kuijkens         26
Pinnock          22
Weil               21
Minkowski      12

Then there are a dozen or more with fewer than 10.

Not sure if anyone could do this with MI versions (or would!) Certainly I can't. :-\

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Quote from: Sammy on October 15, 2012, 01:51:26 PM
Come on Gurn.  You like Fischer better, so there's no point in Davies?  That's just a personal opinion.  My view is that there can never be enough recordings of great music.  So I tip my hat to Davies and any other conductor who might venture into a Haydn symphony set.

Of course. 90% of what gets written here is personal opinion. I'm guessing that my sudden shot of negativity, possibly the first you've seen from me in 10 years, has got you a bit unnerved.  :D  It's OK, I'm not recommending a manufacturer's recall and Fahrenheit 451 session. I'm just not buying it myself.  :)

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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 03:17:16 PM
Of course. 90% of what gets written here is personal opinion. I'm guessing that my sudden shot of negativity, possibly the first you've seen from me in 10 years, has got you a bit unnerved.  :D  It's OK, I'm not recommending a manufacturer's recall and Fahrenheit 451 session. I'm just not buying it myself.  :)

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Your rage should be directed at Decca, which pulled the plug on Hogwood when the thing was almost finished!!!!  Astonishing that such a decision could make economic sense.  They might have been loosing money in the short term, they lost all of the potential profits from the only complete HIP set.

Quote from: Scarpia on October 15, 2012, 03:48:45 PM
Your rage should be directed at Decca, which pulled the plug on Hogwood when the thing was almost finished!!!!  Astonishing that such a decision could make economic sense.  They might have been loosing money in the short term, they lost all of the potential profits from the only complete HIP set.

Totally agree. But the thing that really puts it OTT is that they pulled the plug just as they got to the part of the cycle that would have made 75% of all the income; the Paris, Chunnel and London works! Good god! Do people still say 'dunderheads'?  :o

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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 03:54:10 PM
Totally agree. But the thing that really puts it OTT is that they pulled the plug just as they got to the part of the cycle that would have made 75% of all the income; the Paris, Chunnel and London works! Good god! Do people still say 'dunderheads'?  :o

Well, we don't know what was going on at Decca.  Maybe the conversation was something along the lines of "if we order those recording sessions, where will we get the cash to retrieve our tape recorders from the pawn shop?"

Quote from: sanantonio on October 15, 2012, 03:52:46 PM
I think you missed my point.  I was seconding Gurn's post that instead of yet another MI complete set (especially a mediocre one) it would have been preferred to have at least one PI complete set.   I just threw Szell and Bernstein in to underscore that they recorded what most people look for from Haydn to add to the three (at least) complete MI sets.

Sorry, I wasn't reading the thread closely enough.

However, I don't think that anyone, even an AR guy, needs to concern himself with how many PI recordings there are or aren't before making another recordings of something.

Would Hogwood set, Kuijken's Paris and Chunnel and Minkowski's London set make a complete PI cycle?

btw this has been an awesome thread.  Wish I had not missed it, I had been busy at work and had computer troubles at home.

Quote from: DavidW on October 17, 2012, 04:50:30 AM
Would Hogwood set, Kuijken's Paris and Chunnel and Minkowski's London set make a complete PI cycle?

btw this has been an awesome thread.  Wish I had not missed it, I had been busy at work and had computer troubles at home.

I don;t think so - Hogwood goes to 75 I think and then you have a gap between 75 and 82? Goodman could fill 76-78, but not sure who is available for 79-81.

Quote from: DavidW on October 17, 2012, 04:50:30 AM
Would Hogwood set, Kuijken's Paris and Chunnel and Minkowski's London set make a complete PI cycle?

btw this has been an awesome thread.  Wish I had not missed it, I had been busy at work and had computer troubles at home.

Quote from: mc ukrneal on October 17, 2012, 05:00:16 AM
I don;t think so - Hogwood goes to 75 I think and then you have a gap between 75 and 82? Goodman could fill 76-78, but not sure who is available for 79-81.

Just as Neal says. Freiburg Baroque does a splendid #80, but in my own cobbled together cycle, I have Fischer in the 79 & 81 spots. Which he does admirably, I might add. :-\

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Quote from: mc ukrneal on October 17, 2012, 05:00:16 AM
I don;t think so - Hogwood goes to 75 I think and then you have a gap between 75 and 82? Goodman could fill 76-78, but not sure who is available for 79-81.

So screw PI ;D did Fey do those symphonies in that gap?

Quote from: DavidW on October 17, 2012, 05:14:33 AM
So screw PI ;D did Fey do those symphonies in that gap?

Nope.

EDIT: FIscher has 70-81 in a separate box on Nimbus.

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 03:14:02 PM
For those who are interested in PI numbers;

Hogwood       81
Goodman       60
Brüggen         42
Solomons       34
Harnoncourt  17 PI  13 MI = 30
Kuijkens         26
Pinnock          22
Weil               21
Minkowski      12

Not sure if anyone could do this with MI versions (or would!) Certainly I can't. :-\

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Only a partial list, but includes some of the big names:

MI

Szell 10
Bernstein 20 (21 if you include 105)
Klemperer 9
Tate 12
Jochum 14
Davis 19
Karajan 18
Norrington 12
Barenboim 10 (he's the only one to delve into the pre-Paris symphonies)

Hybrid

Fey 48 (and counting)

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 17, 2012, 06:00:41 AM
Only a partial list, but includes some of the big names [...]

Lenny wins! Go New York!

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 17, 2012, 06:00:41 AM
Only a partial list, but includes some of the big names:

MI

Szell 10
Bernstein 20
Klemperer 9
Tate 12
Jochum 14
Davis 19
Karajan 18
Norrington 12
Barenboim 10 (he's the only one to delve into the pre-Paris symphonies)

Hybrid

Fey 48 (and counting)

Ansermet 6
Dutoit 6
Orpheus 16?

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 17, 2012, 06:00:41 AM
Only a partial list, but includes some of the big names:

MI

Szell 10
Bernstein 20
Klemperer 9
Tate 12
Jochum 14
Davis 19
Karajan 18
Norrington 12
Barenboim 10 (he's the only one to delve into the pre-Paris symphonies)

Hybrid

Fey 48 (and counting)

Thanks, Sarge. Have to say I'm surprised by some things, like the low numbers to start with. One thing I'm curious about is how many the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra did. I have a couple disks of their that are really very decent, but I don't know how many they did in all.

Lenny's numbers include both the NYPO & VPO?

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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 17, 2012, 06:33:01 AM
Lenny's numbers include both the NYPO & VPO?

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Yes, except the I:105 with the Wieners:

NY Phil: Hob.I/82-88, 93-104

Wiener Philharmoniker: Hob.I/88, 92, 94, 105

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 17, 2012, 06:33:01 AM
Thanks, Sarge. Have to say I'm surprised by some things, like the low numbers to start with. One thing I'm curious about is how many the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra did. I have a couple disks of their that are really very decent, but I don't know how many they did in all.

Lenny's numbers include both the NYPO & VPO?

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I have a few recordings by the Orpheus (marvelous) but have no idea how many discs in total. The popularity of Haydn in the recording studio is a recent phenomenon and few star conductors recorded anything but the usual suspects. Thank god for the HIP movement: all things Haydn exploded...in a good way  :D

Yes, I counted all of Lenny's recordings...although I didn't know he'd done 105 too (but that shouldn't count as a symphony anyway).

Sarge

Quote from: karlhenning on October 17, 2012, 06:22:43 AM
Lenny wins! Go New York!

I hate Columbia  >:(  They had the best Haydn band in the world in Cleveland but gave most of the recording assignments to New York. Boo! Hiss!

Sarge

Quote from: sanantonio on October 17, 2012, 07:09:26 AM
Here's my own playlist of PI/HIP Haydn symphonies.  I went for as much variety as possible, i.e. if I had multiple versions of the later symphonies I chose to represent a conductor less represented in earlier works.

I don't have the Harnoncourts in my iTunes Library, so they are not available for this playlist.  I also don't have any of the Derek Solomon recordings (although this may be rectified soon) and I there are no recordings (that I know about) on PI for Nos. 79, 80 and 81.  I might plug in Fischer there.

[asin]B002AHJTE4[/asin]

For you, like me, this is a must have disk. Not only a very nice #80, but a really good fiddle concerto and a very decent #49 as well. So, that just leaves 79 & 81.... Hmmm....  :)

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Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 17, 2012, 07:08:02 AM
Yes, I counted all of Lenny's recordings...although I didn't know he'd done 105 too (but that shouldn't count as a symphony anyway).

I see your point, mon ami, although . . . it's there in the name, Sinfonia concertante.  I expect that if the title had been Concerto grosso (an anachronistic impossibility, to be sure), Hoboken had catalogued it as part of VII.

Quote from: karlhenning on October 17, 2012, 07:24:59 AM
I see your point, mon ami, although . . . it's there in the name, Sinfonia concertante.  I expect that if the title had been Concerto grosso (an anachronistic impossibility, to be sure), Hoboken had catalogued it as part of VII.

I'll add a footnote to my list then  :)

Sarge

Quote from: Scarpia on October 17, 2012, 06:32:03 AM
Orpheus 16?

If that's correct, I only have half their Haydn.

Sarge

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 17, 2012, 07:43:39 AM
I'll add a footnote to my list then  :)

Sarge

And if you like footnotes half as much as I like footnotes . . . .

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Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 17, 2012, 07:45:38 AM
If that's correct, I only have half their Haydn.

Sarge

Recount: 15

22, 44, 45, 48, 49, 53, 63, 69, 73, 77, 78, 79, 81, 91, 102
(that I found on Amazon)

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2012, 03:14:02 PM
Apparently the size of the task defeated most. As a nod to Don here, I will give tribute to Davies in that he did finish what he started!  :)

For those who are interested in PI numbers;

Hogwood       81
Goodman      60
Brüggen         42
Solomons      34
Harnoncourt  17 PI  13 MI = 30
Kuijkens         26
Pinnock          22
Weil               21
Minkowski      12

Then there are a dozen or more with fewer than 10.

Not sure if anyone could do this with MI versions (or would!) Certainly I can't. :-\

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I have noticed there is  a third group: Harnoncourt and Norrington have recorded this music using both PI and MI.

I mean: two directors form a new group.  ;D

Quote from: Gordon Shumway on October 17, 2012, 08:47:31 AM
I have noticed there is  a third group: Harnoncourt and Norrington have recorded this music using both PI and MI.

I mean: two directors form a new group.  ;D

Hasn't Norrington just done the London 12?

Quote from: DavidRoss on October 17, 2012, 08:56:46 AM
Hasn't Norrington just done the London 12?

Yes, but he had partially recorded  the same set of symphonies (99-104) with his PI band (the London Classical Players):

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Quote from: Scarpia on October 17, 2012, 08:21:09 AM
Recount: 15

22, 44, 45, 48, 49, 53, 63, 69, 73, 77, 78, 79, 81, 91, 102
(that I found on Amazon)

They've also recorded 80...so the count is back up to 16:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/june2010/haydn226380.jpg)


Sarge

Quote from: Gordon Shumway on October 17, 2012, 09:20:13 AM
Yes, but he had partially recorded  the same set of symphonies (99-104) with his PI band (the London Classical Players):

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These are the ones I have (the single disks of them, anyway). I don't know anything about the MI ones except that they exist.  I had Harnoncourt in the both groups, but forgot Norrington because he was in the 'less than 10' PI group... :)

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Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 17, 2012, 09:34:16 AM
They've also recorded 80...so the count is back up to 16:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/june2010/haydn226380.jpg)


Sarge

Yes, I have that one and this one;

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa159/Gurn_Blanston/713ddjRaZML.jpg)

Both very good, makes we want to snap up the remainder.  :)

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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 17, 2012, 09:41:47 AM
These are the ones I have (the single disks of them, anyway). I don't know anything about the MI ones except that they exist.  I had Harnoncourt in the both groups, but forgot Norrington because he was in the 'less than 10' PI group... :)

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It was what I understood.

I also recalled Brüggen conducting some non-PI Haydn, but finally I think it was Mendelssohn, not Haydn.

Quote from: Gordon Shumway on October 17, 2012, 11:22:36 AM
It was what I understood.

I also recalled Brüggen conducting some non-PI Haydn, but finally I think it was Mendelssohn, not Haydn.

Yeah, actually I have all his Haydn and it IS PI, that's true. I have 2 disks of his Mendelssohn symphonies and overtures and they are both Orchestra of the 18th Century. Which is not to say that he didn't do any others though. :)

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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 17, 2012, 11:56:51 AM
Yeah, actually I have all his Haydn and it IS PI, that's true. I have 2 disks of his Mendelssohn symphonies and overtures and they are both Orchestra of the 18th Century. Which is not to say that he didn't do any others though. :)

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Yes, I'm sure regarding his Mendelssohn played on MI.

It's included in some of those Brilliant Classics boxes.

I have it, but unfortunately at the other house, not at the apartment where I currently live.