http://www.avclub.com/search?feature_types=hatesong (http://www.avclub.com/search?feature_types=hatesong)
http://www.avclub.com/article/skeletonwitchs-evan-linger-on-the-annoying-positiv-106052 (http://www.avclub.com/article/skeletonwitchs-evan-linger-on-the-annoying-positiv-106052)
There has to be some special qualities about songs you outright hate, as opposed to the normal crap that constitutes 90% of the popular music out there. A key component of suckiness is appropriating aspect of music that is cool and turning it into commercial, radio-friendly garbage. I agree with Evan Linger from Skeletonwitch that the absolute nadir for popular music was the nu-metal and faux-alternative pop-grunge crap of the late 90s. He picked Barenecked ladies One Week as his most hated song - and while the song is a smoldering heap of excrement, its suckiness is eclipsed by Dishwalla's Counting Blue Cars (that song with the 'Tell me all your thoughts on God, because I'd really like to meet her' refrain) which, on top of the late 90s faux grunge yarling, adds the both religious pretensions and the conceit that somehow they are too cool to take the song title from the chorus, rather they come up with some bullshit title that has nothing to do with the lyrics of the song.
your candidates?
A line from Ben-Hur: Arrius (the commander of the Roman fleet) inspects the ship where Judah Ben-Hur is rowing.
Arrius: (after lashing Ben-Hur) Your eyes are full of hate, 41. That's good! Hate keeps a man alive! It gives him strength!
I Shot The Sheriff
Smooth Operator
Voulez vous coucher avec moi ce soir?
Those will keep me alive for hundreds of years if Arrius is right.
IIIIIIIIIIII Will Always Love Youuuuuuuuuuuu
Justin Bieber and all of his ilk and not to mention the no talent wastes of space that came before him (Britney Spears, New Kids On The Block, 'N Sync, The Spice Girls, etc.). Utter garbage. I also hated most of those alleged "Southern rock" bands with the exception being I do some of the Allman Brothers music. I also dislike country and have hardly any tolerance for metal, especially death metal with all that screaming and grunting. I mean there's nothing musical about someone screaming at the top of their lungs into a microphone unless it's the blood-curdling scream heard in Berg's Lulu. I can allow this because it happens at such a pivotal moment in the work.
Quote from: bwv 1080 on April 19, 2014, 06:05:19 PM
http://www.avclub.com/search?feature_types=hatesong (http://www.avclub.com/search?feature_types=hatesong)
http://www.avclub.com/article/skeletonwitchs-evan-linger-on-the-annoying-positiv-106052 (http://www.avclub.com/article/skeletonwitchs-evan-linger-on-the-annoying-positiv-106052)
There has to be some special qualities about songs you outright hate, as opposed to the normal crap that constitutes 90% of the popular music out there. A key component of suckiness is appropriating aspect of music that is cool and turning it into commercial, radio-friendly garbage. I agree with Evan Linger from Skeletonwitch that the absolute nadir for popular music was the nu-metal and faux-alternative pop-grunge crap of the late 90s. He picked Barenecked ladies One Week as his most hated song - and while the song is a smoldering heap of excrement, its suckiness is eclipsed by Dishwalla's Counting Blue Cars (that song with the 'Tell me all your thoughts on God, because I'd really like to meet her' refrain) which, on top of the late 90s faux grunge yarling, adds the both religious pretensions and the conceit that somehow they are too cool to take the song title from the chorus, rather they come up with some bullshit title that has nothing to do with the lyrics of the song.
your candidates?
Living in Toronto that BNL song was evrywhere all the time. I made the error of youtubing blue cars. Bad enough on its own, but it and your comments reminded me of ... Prepare yourself for fresh horrors, Hey Men by Men Without Hats. Brrrrrr.
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 19, 2014, 08:56:18 PM
I mean there's nothing musical about someone screaming at the top of their lungs into a microphone unless it's the blood-curdling scream heard in Berg's Lulu. I can allow this because it happens at such a pivotal moment in the work.
In a "Careful with that Axe Eugene" sort of a way. ;D
Quote from: Sef on April 20, 2014, 07:19:40 AM
In a "Careful with that Axe Eugene" sort of a way. ;D
+1
edit: And but also: "Bleating and babbling we fell on his neck with a scream"...
We Are The World.
Quote from: Todd on April 20, 2014, 07:39:13 AM
We Are The World.
Oh dear. I really must stop reading this thread. I had forgotten that one too.
Just when you thought it was safe to back in the water ...
Nirvana, for the simple reason that I could never hear the words. That does not mean hear someone singing but be unable to figure out the words. That means be unable to tell if anyone was singing.
Kharma Kharma Kharma Kharma, Kharma Chameleon!!
'Soak Up the Sun' Cheryl Crow (ooo, and her first song)
'Mr. Roboto' (actually, anything by Styx in the '80s, or that album, or...)
'sWEET hOME aLABAMA (shivers)
Hey Joe, Johnny B. Goode, and any other song you had to play when you learned guitar...
'Margaritaville'
Hey! I can feel it flowing through me! >:D :laugh: >:D :laugh: >:D :laugh:
Joni Mitchell, Carole King,... James Taylor,... some Eagles,...
YOU SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND BABY RIGHT ROUND LIKE A RECORD BABY ROUND ROUND RIGHT ROUND
Can you FEEL the power?!?!?!?!?!
More? you say??
get ready
hold on
SEASONS IN THE SUN
SOMEONE LEFT THE CAKE OUT IN THE RAIN
I DON'T THINK THAT I CAN TAKE IT
CAUSE IT TOOK SO LONG TO BAKE IT
AND I'LL NEVER HAVE THAT RECIPE A-GAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN
FLY ROBIN FLY... UP UP TO THE SKY!!
Holiday Ro-o-oad holiday Ro-o-o-ad
867-530 NY-EE-YINE
JUST TAKE THOSE OLD RECORDS OFF THE SHELF......
SHE WAS A WELT MACHINE, SHE KEPT HER MOTOR CLEAN
KNOCKIN ME OUT WITH THOSE AMERICAN THIGHS
I THINK IT'S SO GROOVY NOW THAT PEOPLE ARE FINALLY GETTIN' TOGETHER
I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL AND HOW...
I CAN BE YOUR HERO BABY!!
TO ALL THE GIRLS I'VE LOVED BEFORE
(are you asking me to stop yet?) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I know - I'll be paying for it later, right? :laugh: :laugh:
THAT SONG BY CCR
IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT... WHERE I'M NO FUN ANYMORE...
AMERICAN WOMAN
SMOKE ON THE WATER
CAN ANYBODY REMEMBER LAUGHTER?
ISLANDS IN THE STREAM... THAT IS WHAT WE ARE....
I'M ALL OUT OF LOVE, THERE'S NOTHING INSIDE ME
...WHAT ARE YA THINKIN OF?....
...WHAT ARE YA THINKIN OF?......
I'M ALL OUT OF LOVE, I'M SO LOST WITHOUT YOU...
Toto?
Quote from: PaulSC on April 20, 2014, 10:35:21 AM
8!
lol, mental block!
did that list get your huices going? haha :laugh:
Snyprrr, you are a sadist! :)
Quote from: bwv 1080 on April 19, 2014, 06:05:19 PM
Dishwalla's Counting Blue Cars (that song with the 'Tell me all your thoughts on God, because I'd really like to meet her' refrain)
Oy. That is a terrible, terrible, terrible song.
But you're right, there was a lot of really bad music at that time. Nobody has mentioned Creed? I don't think any of their songs were worse than the one you mentioned, but they as a band probably had the highest suckage * popularity combination.
1980s glam rock!!!! Awful noise. Hate this crap with a passion.
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 20, 2014, 07:19:58 PM
1980s glam rock!!!! Awful noise. Hate this crap with a passion.
Not a good decade overall, but who do you mean?
Quote from: Ken B on April 20, 2014, 07:35:42 PM
Not a good decade overall, but who do you mean?
I liked a lot of 80s rock music. Of course, when I speak of 80s glam rock, I'm talking about bands like Poison, Quiet Riot, W.A.S.P., Twisted Sister, etc. Horrible bands.
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 20, 2014, 07:40:29 PM
I liked a lot of 80s rock music. Of course, when I speak of 80s glam rock, I'm talking about bands like Poison, Quiet Riot, W.A.S.P., Twisted Sister, etc. Horrible bands.
I am glad I don't know them then!
Speaking of the 80s. My coworkers bf wanted to go tp a bar Depeche Mode night. I said I had DM cd at my desk. That was enough to tell her she'd hate them. She's a metal head. I am not!
Black Eyed Peas may be the worst band going right now.
Anything sung karaoke by fat, balding, middle-aged, Harley-riding, restored-American-muscle-car driving d-bags:
- "Wastin' away again in Margaritaville..."
- "You've lost that lovin' feelin'!"
- "Just take those old records off the shaaaeeellllf!"
- Anything from the 80s (pop music only)
Quote from: snyprrr on April 20, 2014, 10:31:00 AM
Johnny B. Goode
Quote from: XB-70 Valkyrie on April 20, 2014, 10:05:28 PM
- "You've lost that lovin' feelin'!"
While I realize both songs have been overexposed, played to death everywhere and therefore, I suppose, legitimate subjects of hatred for some people, we must acknowledge that they are two of the best songs ever written and their creators, Chuck Berry and Phil Spector, two of the most influential composers in Rock and Pop history. In Dave Marsh's book
The Heart of Rock and Soul: The 1001 Greatest Singles Ever Made "Johnny" comes in number 2 and the Righteous Brothers' "Lovin' Feelin'" number 5, Top 10 spots they deserve.
Thread duty: Every song on
Thriller fills me with unimaginable loathing.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 21, 2014, 02:31:24 AM
While I realize both songs have been overexposed, played to death everywhere and therefore, I suppose, legitimate subjects of hatred for some people, we must acknowledge that they are two of the best songs ever written and their creators, Chuck Berry and Phil Spector, two of the most influential composers in Rock and Pop history. In Dave Marsh's book The Heart of Rock and Soul: The 1001 Greatest Singles Ever Made "Johnny" comes in number 2 and the Righteous Brothers' "Lovin' Feelin'" number 5, Top 10 spots they deserve.
Thread duty: Every song on Thriller fills me with unimaginable loathing.
Sarge
Sooooooooo totally agree in everything. Bring on the bazooka.
Whatever that Adele song is which became a media monster.
Quote from: karlhenning on April 21, 2014, 03:42:21 AM
Whatever that Adele song is which became a media monster.
We could've had it aaaaaalll! (Just in case you forgot the melody!)
Well, there's always the SAFETY DANCE!!
S-s-s-s-s A-a-a-a-a F-a-a-a-a T-t-t-t...
COME.... ON.... Eil....
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 20, 2014, 07:19:58 PM
19870s glam rock!!!! Awful noise. Hate this crap with a passion.
C'mon feel the noize!
Quote from: snyprrr on April 21, 2014, 06:15:22 AM
We could've had it aaaaaalll! (Just in case you forgot the melody!)
But for me, it isn't over . . . .
Quote from: snyprrr on April 21, 2014, 06:15:22 AM
COME.... ON.... Eil....
I could never hate that song. It was part of the soundtrack of my life in late 1982 through the fall of '83, one of the best years of my life.
You in that dress,
my thoughts I confess
Well, they're dirty
Sarge
This is worse if, like me, you love a fair amount of country music
https://www.youtube.com/v/WySgNm8qH-I
Quote from: XB-70 Valkyrie on April 20, 2014, 10:05:28 PM
- Anything from the 80s (pop music only)
If you can't appreciate some '80s pop music, you're probably a bad person. :(
Quote from: James on April 21, 2014, 07:35:56 AM
I'd say, I seriously detest a good 95% of what is out there floating around, past or present. Sad but true. Most of which, all sounds the same.
What I've grown to hate even more than this song or that .. is the almost (at this point) hopelessness of it all (i.e. turning more people around); how most folks out there have no apparent clue whatsoever about this beautiful Art Form and what it really is and could-be, nor the benefits of exploring it and its challenges on a deeper level. I realize people are busy, but damn they often opt for the lowest common denominator. Most folks just aren't intellectually curious at all I find, especially true with music. They don't even make an effort on any level, they just mindlessly (& greedily) consume what they are fed. And to top it off, when you even mention "classical music" .. they instantly think "old" .. "boring" .. "dull" and it all sounds like Mozart basically. Ugh.
Just curious .. those of you who don't work "jobs in the arts" which i assume has been the case for most of us .. how did conversations regarding music pan out with say co-workers if the topic came up .. you even bother ? I'm thinking it may go smoother for some of our European friends as it is more deeply ingrained in the culture .. ? But just try to enter one whilst listening to them rave on about KISS, Kelly Clarkson or some of the awful current "country", "rap" etc.. bullshit.
We have discussed this problem in various ways elsewhere under assorted topics: at this moment I usually quote Schoenberg:
If it is Art, it is not for everyone, and if it is for everyone, it is not Art.I know this annoys our democratic sensibilities - it annoys mine! - but it seems to be true. CAN "average persons" appreciate Art Music? Yes. WILL they? No. The best we can do is to suggest, show our enthusiasm, encourage again, and then stand back.
Quote from: Cato on April 21, 2014, 05:03:22 PM
We have discussed this problem in various ways elsewhere under assorted topics: at this moment I usually quote Schoenberg:
If it is Art, it is not for everyone, and if it is for everyone, it is not Art.
I know this annoys our democratic sensibilities - it annoys mine! - but it seems to be true. CAN "average persons" appreciate Art Music? Yes. WILL they? No. The best we can do is to suggest, show our enthusiasm, encourage again, and then stand back.
One also needs to recognize that what is art for one person is trash for another person
Quote from: The Six on April 21, 2014, 04:33:41 PM
If you can't appreciate some '80s pop music, you're probably a bad person. :(
exactly.a lot of the songs that have been named in this thread I find to be perfectly bland and inoffensive and some of them I even like! But I don't think of them in the same way that I think of Mozart or Mahler. they entertain or pass the time of day. I don't expect any great revelations from them like I do from classical music.
Quote from: bwv 1080 on April 21, 2014, 07:39:15 AM
This is worse if, like me, you love a fair amount of country music
https://www.youtube.com/v/WySgNm8qH-I
LOL! Actually this illustrates whatI just said above. No great illumination of spirit but perfectly enjoyable tunes. And I doubt they are meant as anything else.
R
Quote from: The Six on April 21, 2014, 04:33:41 PM
If you can't appreciate some '80s pop music, you're probably a bad person. :(
Oh, in my case there's no "probably" about it.
Quote from: James on April 21, 2014, 05:44:02 PM
Never works. After so many failed attempts .. I just pull a Zen move and remain silent.
I had some successes, but mostly from when I was in radio. Recently I have had a lot of success with minimalists, especially Nyman. Not much else though. But people start with Nyman and branch out. I'm not Zen like yet.
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on April 21, 2014, 05:21:53 PM
LOL! Actually this illustrates whatI just said above. No great illumination of spirit but perfectly enjoyable tunes. And I doubt they are meant as anything else.
R
Not looking for illumination of spirit, just stuff that does not suck.
Quote from: bwv 1080 on April 21, 2014, 05:47:10 PM
Not looking for illumination of spirit, just stuff that does not suck.
It is true that with country, rock and pop my standards are pretty low. It is only at rap that I draw the line.
This puts me in an extreme minority in worldwide terms, and I don't have any idea how my tastes came to be shaped in this way, but I do not like any music characterised by a repetitive beat or groove. Nor have I ever found strophic songs (verse - chorus - verse - etc) particularly appealing. Finally, I dislike the "epic", hyper-romantic, emotionally force-fed John Williams/Mahler/Carmina Burana kind of thing, and will turn it off if I hear it.
However I do not need to 'hate' any of these things—I just don't listen to them... It would probably be different if I watched films or TV (where such things are omnipresent) or had to make a lot of telephone calls to tech support places, but as it is I'm only exposed to them in shops and the like where they're easy to tune out. I watch youtube videos with the sound off as a rule (since for some reason people have to put a soundtrack to everything these days). Very little that falls into any of those categories has ever become familiar enough to rise to the level of dislike; it all blends together into a mass of apathy. (Carmina Burana being one of the few exceptions)
I think there's high quality music in any genre. Since I listen, and love, rock, jazz, and classical, there's certainly a lot of choose from, but I have found my tastes in rock and jazz are pretty specific and I've been able to wade through the junk with a greater ease than classical music.
Quote from: James on April 21, 2014, 06:43:47 PM
Since I'm feeling particularly alive right now ..
All these boxes ... "rap", "country", "rock" et al. .. are just a bundle of sickening cliches really, especially at this point in time .. that is all you get. Folks molding themselves into these limited parameters and sound vocabularies for all the wrong reasons. It has nothing to do with the art form. They go into it to be famous, it's all phoney. And most of it regardless of the boxes people like to put the stuff in, thinkin' they are all over the map and diverse musically .. when truthfully it isn't all that musically diverse or different at all, and more often than not its all coming from that same place ..
I used to make that point to people. All the music you guys listen to was written by people in English speaking countries within the span of a few decades for small groups of the same instruments usually for 2 to 5 minutes in length in the same harmonic system and little counterpoint. I listen to music from 5 continents over 800 years in many languages or none, of wildly varying length and ensemble, some religious, in different relgions, in various harmonic systems, with from one to 9 main lines. And yet you say I'm the one with narrow tastes ...
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 21, 2014, 02:31:24 AM
... we must acknowledge that they are two of the best songs ever written and their creators, Chuck Berry and Phil Spector, two of the most influential composers in Rock and Pop history
We must? We
must? What if I don't? What if I stick with my initial position that they completely and totally suck ass? :P Would that make me a horrible person? I hope so! :laugh:
Seriously, I have to agree with most of what James says here. I would also add that Coltrane and followers--Albert Ayler, Pharoah Sanders--and others like Anthony Braxton, Sun Ra had about a zillion times more talent than the Beatles and all the stuff they ultimately spawned.
Most people who go around saying they like "all kinds of music" are pretty much total dopes.
"You light up my life" - Debby Boone
"These boots are made for walkin'" - Nancy Sinatra
Quote from: The Six on April 21, 2014, 04:33:41 PM
If you can't appreciate some '80s pop music, you're probably a bad person. :(
I'm a
bad good person then. I love quite a few songs produced in the 80s, including these singles released during the decade:
VISAGE FADE TO GRAY 1980
ORCHESTRAL MANEUVERS IN THE DARK ENOLA GAY 1980
EMMYLOU HARRIS with DON WILLIAMS IF I NEEDED YOU 1981
DIRE STRAITS ROMEO AND JULIET 1981
RACHEL SWEET THEN HE KISSED ME/BE MY BABY 1981
GO GO'S WE GOT THE BEAT 1981
TONI BASIL MICKEY 1981
KIM WILDE KIDS IN AMERICA 1981
DEAD KENNEDYS TOO DRUNK TO FUCK 1981
ROLLING STONES START ME UP 1981
FOREIGNER URGENT 1981
BOW WOW WOW CHIHUAHUA 1981
BOW WOW WOW PRINCE OF DARKNESS 1981
BOW WOW WOW GO WILD IN THE COUNTRY 1982
BOW WOW WOW I WANT CANDY 1982
BOW WOW WOW LOUIS QUATORZE 1982
EMMYLOU HARRIS ROSE OF CIMARRON 1982
DEXY'S MIDNIGHT RUNNERS COME ON, EILEEN 1982
MARVIN GAYE SEXUAL HEALING 1982
FLIPPER SEX BOMB 1982
JOAN JETT I LOVE ROCK AND ROLL 1982
JOAN JETT CRIMSON AND CLOVER 1982
JOAN JETT DO YOU WANNA TOUCH ME? 1982
DEPECHE MODE SEE YOU 1982
D.A.F. MUSSOLINI 1982
D.A.F. KEBAB TRÄUME 1982
GRANDMASTER FLASH AND THE FURIOUS FIVE THE MESSAGE 1982
THE SPECIALS GHOST TOWN 1982
GBH CITY BABY ATTACKED BY RATS 1982
THE PRETENDERS MY CITY WAS GONE 1982
THE PRETENDERS MIDDLE OF THE ROAD 1983
CYNDI LAUPER GIRLS JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN 1983
DAVID BOWIE LET'S DANCE 1983
BOW WOW WOW DO YOU WANNA HOLD ME 1983
MICHAEL STANLEY BAND MY TOWN 1983
YAZOO DON'T GO 1983
SERGE AND CHARLOTTE GAINSBOURG LEMON INCEST 1984
CYNDI LAUPER TIME AFTER TIME 1984
RUN D.M.C. HARD TIMES 1984
EMMYLOU HARRIS TIMBERLINE 1985
DON HENLEY THE BOYS OF SUMMER 1985
THE BANGLES WALK LIKE AN EGYPTIAN 1985
RUN D.M.C. WALK THIS WAY 1986
LEONARD COHEN TAKE THIS WALTZ 1986
GRATEFUL DEAD A TOUCH OF GREY 1987
THE BANGLES HAZY SHADE OF WINTER 1987
PETER GABRIEL AND KATE BUSH DON'T GIVE UP 1987
DWIGHT YOAKAM AND BUCK OWENS STREETS OF BAKERSFIELD 1988
EMMYLOU HARRIS with DOLLY PARTON & LINDA RONSTADT TO KNOW HIM IS TO LOVE HIM 1988
TANITA TIKARAM TWIST IN MY SOBRIETY 1988
NANCE GRIFFITH FROM A DISTANCE 1988
ROY ORBISON YOU GOT IT 1989
B-52'S ROAM 1989
Bad, Bad Sarge, the Good
Quote from: XB-70 Valkyrie on April 21, 2014, 07:39:26 PM
We must? We must? What if I don't? What if I stick with my initial position that they completely and totally suck ass? :P Would that make me a horrible person? I hope so! :laugh:
No, it just means you have absolutely no ability to discern good rock/pop/soul from crap. You're musically blind...and proud of it ;D You're kin to the classical music hater who says the Eroica or Tristan or the Goldbergs suck ass.
Sarge
Quote from: XB-70 Valkyrie on April 21, 2014, 07:39:26 PM
Most people who go around saying they like "all kinds of music" are pretty much total dopes.
I must be pretty low on the intelligence scale, then, because I do enjoy
most types of music, and I at least try to understand the kinds of music that I don't.
For those who appreciate and listen to only classical music, there's nothing wrong with that. There are many lifetimes of options in that genre. But you can't compare other types of music using classical standards. That's an exercise in ignorance.
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on April 21, 2014, 05:17:59 PM
exactly.a lot of the songs that have been named in this thread I find to be perfectly bland and inoffensive and some of them I even like! But I don't think of them in the same way that I think of Mozart or Mahler. they entertain or pass the time of day. I don't expect any great revelations from them like I do from classical music.
Exactly
2.
The fact that I can appreciate and enjoy a five course meal from a fine restaurant doesn't diminish my ability to savor a taco or hot dog from a fast food place. I'm just sensible enough to not expect the same experience.
It's sad that there is arrogance and elitism among champions of every type of music. I've probably heard "I hate pop music because it all sounds the same" as much as I've heard "I hate classical music because it all sounds the same". I can cut those with the latter opinion more slack because at least they probably don't have the experience and capacity to understand the complexities of classical. I have to wonder about someone claims to appreciate classical music but can't differentiate between the less complex elements of other genres.
Since no one else is shy about throwing out blanket statements here about what sucks and what doesn't, and pigeonholing others into various categories, I will offer a personal opinion formed by many years of experience and reinforced by many years of reading this forum:
People who claim to only like classical music and denigrate all other forms of music are only concerned with academic and technical elements of the genre (and the perceived superiority that comes along with them) and lack the capacity to be emotionally affected by music on a less conscious level.
The mere readiness to sneer at 95% of what is out there does not mean that one is refined. But, we all knew that.
Quote from: XB-70 Valkyrie on April 21, 2014, 07:39:26 PM
Most people who go around saying they like "all kinds of music" are pretty much total dopes.
I am reminded of one of the Big Band leaders (
Duke Ellington, I think) who divided Music into two kinds: good and bad.
No other subdivisions allowed!
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 22, 2014, 03:00:34 AM
I'm a bad person then. I love quite a few songs produced in the 80s, including these singles released during the decade:
Bad, Bad Sarge
The rule at GMG is:
Sarge is right!
Sarge is
always right!
Quote from: bwv 1080 on April 21, 2014, 07:39:15 AM
This is worse if, like me, you love a fair amount of country music
https://www.youtube.com/v/WySgNm8qH-I
Both funny and depressing. This reminds me of how depressing the Country Music Countdown has been for the last 15, 20 years. Mrs. Rock and I sometimes listen via the Armed Forces Network, hoping the situation will improve. But no, the decent into bland sameness and formula goes on unabated. Of course there
is great country being made...it just doesn't make it to the airwaves.
Sarge
This is the only song that makes me physically ill to hear:
"I will sing of your love forever"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraSpL4iGuE
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 22, 2014, 03:00:34 AM
I'm a bad person then. I love quite a few songs produced in the 80s, including these singles released during the decade:
VISAGE FADE TO GRAY 1980
ORCHESTRAL MANEUVERS IN THE DARK ENOLA GAY 1980
EMMYLOU HARRIS with DON WILLIAMS IF I NEEDED YOU 1981
DIRE STRAITS ROMEO AND JULIET 1981
RACHEL SWEET THEN HE KISSED ME/BE MY BABY 1981
GO GO'S WE GOT THE BEAT 1981
TONI BASIL MICKEY 1981
KIM WILDE KIDS IN AMERICA 1981
DEAD KENNEDYS TOO DRUNK TO FUCK 1981
ROLLING STONES START ME UP 1981
FOREIGNER URGENT 1981
BOW WOW WOW CHIHUAHUA 1981
BOW WOW WOW PRINCE OF DARKNESS 1981
BOW WOW WOW GO WILD IN THE COUNTRY 1982
BOW WOW WOW I WANT CANDY 1982
BOW WOW WOW LOUIS QUATORZE 1982
EMMYLOU HARRIS ROSE OF CIMARRON 1982
DEXY'S MIDNIGHT RUNNERS COME ON, EILEEN 1982
MARVIN GAYE SEXUAL HEALING 1982
FLIPPER SEX BOMB 1982
JOAN JETT I LOVE ROCK AND ROLL 1982
JOAN JETT CRIMSON AND CLOVER 1982
JOAN JETT DO YOU WANNA TOUCH ME? 1982
DEPECHE MODE SEE YOU 1982
D.A.F. MUSSOLINI 1982
D.A.F. KEBAB TRÄUME 1982
GRANDMASTER FLASH AND THE FURIOUS FIVE THE MESSAGE 1982
THE SPECIALS GHOST TOWN 1982
GBH CITY BABY ATTACKED BY RATS 1982
THE PRETENDERS MY CITY WAS GONE 1982
THE PRETENDERS MIDDLE OF THE ROAD 1983
CYNDI LAUPER GIRLS JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN 1983
DAVID BOWIE LET'S DANCE 1983
BOW WOW WOW DO YOU WANNA HOLD ME 1983
MICHAEL STANLEY BAND MY TOWN 1983
YAZOO DON'T GO 1983
SERGE AND CHARLOTTE GAINSBOURG LEMON INCEST 1984
CYNDI LAUPER TIME AFTER TIME 1984
RUN D.M.C. HARD TIMES 1984
EMMYLOU HARRIS TIMBERLINE 1985
DON HENLEY THE BOYS OF SUMMER 1985
THE BANGLES WALK LIKE AN EGYPTIAN 1985
RUN D.M.C. WALK THIS WAY 1986
LEONARD COHEN TAKE THIS WALTZ 1986
GRATEFUL DEAD A TOUCH OF GREY 1987
THE BANGLES HAZY SHADE OF WINTER 1987
PETER GABRIEL AND KATE BUSH DON'T GIVE UP 1987
DWIGHT YOAKAM AND BUCK OWENS STREETS OF BAKERSFIELD 1988
EMMYLOU HARRIS with DOLLY PARTON & LINDA RONSTADT TO KNOW HIM IS TO LOVE HIM 1988
TANITA TIKARAM TWIST IN MY SOBRIETY 1988
NANCE GRIFFITH FROM A DISTANCE 1988
ROY ORBISON YOU GOT IT 1989
B-52'S ROAM 1989
Bad, Bad Sarge
Sarge. I don't want to deny you are a bad person, you know best, but I think you misread.
"If you
can't appreciate some '80s pop music, you're probably a bad person"
And you apparently can.
Quote from: Ken B on April 22, 2014, 04:22:06 AM
"If you can't appreciate some '80s pop music, you're probably a bad person"
And you apparently can.
That'll teach me to work at the computer without my glasses ;D I'm so thankful to know I'm really a good person afterall 8)
Sarge
Quote from: Szykneij on April 22, 2014, 03:41:20 AM
I must be pretty low on the intelligence scale, then, because I do enjoy most types of music, and I at least try to understand the kinds of music that I don't.
For those who appreciate and listen to only classical music, there's nothing wrong with that. There are many lifetimes of options in that genre. But you can't compare other types of music using classical standards. That's an exercise in ignorance.
Exactly2.
The fact that I can appreciate and enjoy a five course meal from a fine restaurant doesn't diminish my ability to savor a taco or hot dog from a fast food place. I'm just sensible enough to not expect the same experience.
It's sad that there is arrogance and elitism among champions of every type of music. I've probably heard "I hate pop music because it all sounds the same" as much as I've heard "I hate classical music because it all sounds the same". I can cut those with the latter opinion more slack because at least they probably don't have the experience and capacity to understand the complexities of classical. I have to wonder about someone claims to appreciate classical music but can't differentiate between the less complex elements of other genres.
Since no one else is shy about throwing out blanket statements here about what sucks and what doesn't, and pigeonholing others into various categories, I will offer a personal opinion formed by many years of experience and reinforced by many years of reading this forum:
People who claim to only like classical music and denigrate all other forms of music are only concerned with academic and technical elements of the genre (and the perceived superiority that comes along with them) and lack the capacity to be emotionally affected by music on a less conscious level.
Enjoyed this entire post, thanks,
Tony.
Quote from: Szykneij on April 22, 2014, 03:41:20 AM
For those who appreciate and listen to only classical music, there's nothing wrong with that. There are many lifetimes of options in that genre. But you can't compare other types of music using classical standards. That's an exercise in ignorance.
I'm not sure whether there's any specific criteria that distinguish classical music from other types of music, apart from an "I know it when I hear it" rule.
For example, as a broad rule pop music is modal (based around scales) rather than tonal (based around harmonic progressions), but there are plenty of examples that do in fact use functional harmony rather than the more colouristic I-V-iv-IV loops of infamy (a sequence that in practice can, and does, end on any one of the four chords with no change in musical meaning). As a broad rule, it has a drum kit or machine tapping out a persistent beat, yet lots of country music is just voice and guitar (and I can think of a few art-rock songs that are completely a cappella) and it's still recogniseable as non-classical. Classical music is usually through-composed and longer than three minutes, but then you listen to some Schubert lieder. Et cetera.
As far as the various kinds of pop music go, I think I understand them on a technical level, and I can recognise when it's well done. That which I've heard, however, doesn't do anything for me emotionally, and to a certain extent it's the technical aspects of the style itself that are the cause. Well, okay, my sheer bloody-mindedness is partly the cause as well. The more overtly I'm told to do anything, the stronger my desire seems to become to do the opposite. I can dance to a Beethoven string quartet written to be listened to in silence and devotion, but the mechanical emphasis on every downbeat in a song written to be danced to just annoys me. >.>
Quote from: amw on April 22, 2014, 04:55:24 AM
I'm not sure whether there's any specific criteria that distinguish classical music from other types of music, apart from an "I know it when I hear it" rule.
For example, as a broad rule pop music is modal (based around scales) rather than tonal (based around harmonic progressions), but there are plenty of examples that do in fact use functional harmony rather than the more colouristic I-V-iv-IV loops of infamy (a sequence that in practice can, and does, end on any one of the four chords with no change in musical meaning). As a broad rule, it has a drum kit or machine tapping out a persistent beat, yet lots of country music is just voice and guitar (and I can think of a few art-rock songs that are completely a cappella) and it's still recogniseable as non-classical. Classical music is usually through-composed and longer than three minutes, but then you listen to some Schubert lieder. Et cetera.
As far as the various kinds of pop music go, I think I understand them on a technical level, and I can recognise when it's well done. That which I've heard, however, doesn't do anything for me emotionally, and to a certain extent it's the technical aspects of the style itself that are the cause. Well, okay, my sheer bloody-mindedness is partly the cause as well. The more overtly I'm told to do anything, the stronger my desire seems to become to do the opposite. I can dance to a Beethoven string quartet written to be listened to in silence and devotion, but the mechanical emphasis on every downbeat in a song written to be danced to just annoys me. >.>
Good post! Clearly, you understand music, know what you like and dislike (and also know why), and acknowledge music that doesn't affect you emotionally has merit and can be well done even though it's not to your taste. I feel the same way, although my specifics might be different than yours.
I try to avoid hate ;). I should add that there's lots of music I don't see very much merit to if any. For instance a few months back I happened to hear one of the week's top 40 hits on the radio, I think it was by Eminem and Rihanna; apart from the juxtaposition of pop- and rap-style vocals (which hip-hop has been doing for decades anyway) I didn't hear anything in it that set it apart from every other pop song one hears on the radio: unmemorable and over-engineered. Yet people seemed to love it (for a couple of weeks anyway, or until the latest Lorde single came out). So... whatever. It only occupied my time for a few minutes, and I suppose the people who enjoy it are after a different kind of musical experience than me, possibly involving singing along while driving, or some special meaning in the lyrics (which I rarely pay much attention to).
Quote from: amw on April 22, 2014, 05:57:29 AM
I try to avoid hate ;).
Well, and it is a fascinating thing to reflect on . . . if we "hate" a piece of music intensely, what does it really mean? What's going on in the corners of our mind? What emotions are really at play, and what are the actual points of reference for those emotions?
Quote from: amw on April 22, 2014, 05:57:29 AM
I try to avoid hate ;). I should add that there's lots of music I don't see very much merit to if any. For instance a few months back I happened to hear one of the week's top 40 hits on the radio, I think it was by Eminem and Rihanna; apart from the juxtaposition of pop- and rap-style vocals (which hip-hop has been doing for decades anyway) I didn't hear anything in it that set it apart from every other pop song one hears on the radio: unmemorable and over-engineered.
Like the Top 40 Country, pop radio today is a wasteland and has been for more than a decade. I keep a list of favorite singles by year, beginning with the year of my birth, 1949. The list ends in 2000 with the Corrs' "Breathless." I haven't heard a single "hit" in the last 14 years that has meant anything to me, or even appealed in some small way. Of course I could be suffering from Old Fogeyism. But that usually happens to people at a much younger age; I kept my ears open far longer than most, I think. So maybe music really has gone to hell this century...at least in terms of the most popular music.
Quote from: amw on April 22, 2014, 05:57:29 AM
Yet people seemed to love it (for a couple of weeks anyway, or until the latest Lorde single came out). So... whatever. It only occupied my time for a few minutes, and I suppose the people who enjoy it are after a different kind of musical experience than me, possibly involving singing along while driving, or some special meaning in the lyrics (which I rarely pay much attention to).
Lyrics are vitally important to pop/rock/soul/country. They can relate to our lives in a way that, for example, the closing scene of
Faust in Mahler's Eighth just doesn't in the 21st century.
Sarge
To hate some music, rather than to merely be indifferent or just dislike is a healthy response, not some pathology to be diagnosed by armchair therapists. The key components are:
- competently written and performed
- forced on the listener through ubitiqutious radio play or some other means
- dishonestly appropriates some aspect of other good music
My Dishwalla example was all over the radio, compently performed and took the Pearl Jam yearling vocals which were cool when Eddie Vedder did them five years earlier and turned them into a cheesy cliche
Kenny G's duet with Louis Armstrong that provoked Pat Metheny's famous rant would be another example of music that it's healthy to hate
Quote from: karlhenning on April 22, 2014, 06:09:41 AM
Well, and it is a fascinating thing to reflect on . . . if we "hate" a piece of music intensely, what does it really mean? What's going on in the corners of our mind? What emotions are really at play, and what are the actual points of reference for those emotions?
I hate
Thriller, the album. But in fact the reasons are extramusical (I acknowledge the genius of "Billie Jean" and other songs). The hatred has everything to do with New Year's Eve 1983.
Now, my hatred of techno/house/trance has
everything to do with the music ;D
Sarge
Quote from: bwv 1080 on April 22, 2014, 06:24:48 AM
To hate some music, rather than to merely be indifferent or just dislike is a healthy response, not some pathology to be diagnosed by armchair therapists. The key components are:
- competently written and performed
- forced on the listener through ubitiqutious radio play or some other means
- dishonestly appropriates some aspect of other good music
My Dishwalla example was all over the radio, compently performed and took the Pearl Jam yearling vocals which were cool when Eddie Vedder did them five years earlier and turned them into a cheesy cliche
Kenny G's duet with Louis Armstrong that provoked Pat Metheny's famous rant would be another example of music that it's healthy to hate
Not to gainsay anything you've posted. For myself, I think, isn't it enough to observe that a given piece of music has been incompetently created, or executed? Why should it excite
hate?
Again, not saying that "musical hate" is at all "unhealthy"; for myself, I think it something of a distraction.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 22, 2014, 06:27:38 AM
I hate Thriller, the album. But in fact the reasons are extramusical (I acknowledge the genius of "Billie Jean" and other songs). The hatred has everything to do with New Year's Eve 1983.
Right, negative associations with the music; completely understandable.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 22, 2014, 06:27:38 AM
Now, my hatred of techno/house/trance has everything to do with the music ;D
Sarge
Allow me to repeat from earlier:
Quote from: Cato on April 22, 2014, 04:00:32 AM
The rule at GMG is: Sarge is right! Sarge is always right!
Again proving the rule! 0:)
On the topic: I once had a student who could write a dissertation on the visceral
hate he felt when attacked by this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhUkGIsKvn0
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhUkGIsKvn0)
I, too, feel hate is a strong word and reflecting on my post I made a few pages back, I shouldn't have used that word, but perhaps the words 'actively dislike' should of been used instead. I'm finding that there is elitism in any kind of genre you dive into. You just can't avoid it really. Like, right now, I'm really in throes of progressive rock and really enjoying rekindling a my passion for this music, but I've been frequenting a prog forum lately and there's one member there who insists on putting down Genesis any chance he gets. He actually is a hardcore Jethro Tull fan and is waving the flag quite proudly. Nothing wrong with that, but what I do have a problem with is him constantly putting down music other people like for no apparent reason. Whether this bloke likes Genesis or dislikes them doesn't really matter because their place in rock history is as secured as Pink Floyd's or King Crimson's. It's not the end of the world if somebody doesn't like Genesis of course and it doesn't matter to me one way or another, but I don't like people who put down a band's musicianship and this is what this guy was doing over and over again.
I guess where I'm getting at is this: even though you dislike something, this doesn't mean there's a lack of musicianship involved, it's simply you prefer something else. I think if people get their subjectivity out of the way sometimes, then they can at least acknowledge a band's musical skill. There's no reason to put something down just because you don't like it. I'm learning this more and more as I get older. It's best not get into a huge argument with someone about something you dislike and they enjoy, because, ultimately, opinions aren't going to change on the flip of a coin.
Okay, I'm done rambling....I think? ;D
Quote from: XB-70 Valkyrie on April 21, 2014, 07:39:26 PM
Most people who go around saying they like "all kinds of music" are pretty much total dopes.
I've been a total dope most of my life. When I was six, my favorite "songs" were Tennessee Ernie Ford's "16 Tons" and Wagner's
O du, mein holder Abendstern from Tannhäüser...seriously 8)
Sarge
Quote from: Cato on April 22, 2014, 06:46:43 AM
On the topic: I once had a student who could write a dissertation on the visceral hate he felt when attacked by this song:
http://www.youtube.com/v/jhUkGIsKvn0
(
There were funky Chinamen, from funky Chinatown....) Tangentially, I had probably clean forgotten about this song, until hearing it as part of the grand celebratory coda to
Bowfinger . . . .
Quote from: Cato on April 22, 2014, 04:00:32 AM
I am reminded of one of the Big Band leaders (Duke Ellington, I think) who divided Music into two kinds: good and bad.
And one can like bad music and dislike good. Music is funny that way.
Sarge
Golly, I can't bring myself to hate a piece of music. Cringe at and flee from, but not hate. I reserve hatred for family members. ;D
Quote from: Cato on April 22, 2014, 04:00:32 AM
I am reminded of one of the Big Band leaders (Duke Ellington, I think) who divided Music into two kinds: good and bad.
No other subdivisions allowed!
For an alternate take on that theme, by someone who could be assumed to know what they are talking about, see my sig.
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on April 22, 2014, 07:52:00 AM
For an alternate take on that theme, by someone who could be assumed to know what they are talking about, see my sig.
I'm relatively sure
Gioachino hadn't heard any
Karlheinz, though. ;)
Quote from: karlhenning on April 22, 2014, 07:19:31 AM
(There were funky Chinamen, from funky Chinatown....) Tangentially, I had probably clean forgotten about this song, until hearing it as part of the grand celebratory coda to Bowfinger . . . .
Those cats was fast as lightnin'.
Quote from: mn dave on April 22, 2014, 08:34:18 AM
Those cats was fast as lightnin'.
And just a little bit frightening! :D
And yes: used as the music for the hysterical finale to
Bowfinger! One of the funniest satires on Hollywood and other things!
Steve Martin and
Eddie Murphy: all-around fave!
Quote from: James on April 21, 2014, 06:43:47 PM
Since I'm feeling particularly alive right now ..
All these boxes ... "rap", "country", "rock" et al. .. are just a bundle of sickening cliches really, especially at this point in time .. that is all you get. Folks molding themselves into these limited parameters and sound vocabularies for all the wrong reasons. It has nothing to do with the art form. They go into it to be famous, it's all phoney. And most of it regardless of the boxes people like to put the stuff in, thinkin' they are all over the map and diverse musically .. when truthfully it isn't all that musically diverse or different at all, and more often than not its all coming from that same place ..
If you've noticec... there hasn't been ANY 'Rock' music for quite a few years... so, if you've noticed, 'Country' has STOLEN the drums from Rock (since it wasn't using them!) and now all Country music sounds like Nickleback sung by Dwight Yoakim! Hilarious!! Country's even stolen a little of that Hip-Hop attitude... see what a Marketing Executive came come up with in their spare time?
Speaking of which, have y'alls been keepin up with the askellations of youngzters impropriety as a laww suit concerning a bunch of p e d oz in that place in the city of california-----hint hint (you know- they watch- must be steeelthy) POINT info tainment industrial comprexx is run by _________________ nastee folks
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Quote from: snyprrr on April 22, 2014, 09:10:25 AM
If you've noticec... there hasn't been ANY 'Rock' music for quite a few years...
Lies.
I enjoy snypsss's combination of all-caps ANY with the scare-quotes around Rock 8)
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 22, 2014, 07:27:14 AM
And one can like bad music and dislike good. Music is funny that way.
Sarge
What bad music do you like?
Quote from: karlhenning on April 22, 2014, 06:09:41 AM
Well, and it is a fascinating thing to reflect on . . . if we "hate" a piece of music intensely, what does it really mean? What's going on in the corners of our mind? What emotions are really at play, and what are the actual points of reference for those emotions?
There seem to me to be two kinds, or two main kinds.
1. It's crap and it's irritating. One Week by Bare Naked Ladies.
2. I react to the art, but loathe it.
In category 2 I put the movie Bonnie and Clyde, well made. Loathe it. Or the sculpture of Arno Breker. I think it has real power; I loathe it too. But I still react to it as art, not annoying crap.
Count in favour of hating, especially the second kind. "
Fat, drunk, and stupid Blase, bored and above it all is no way to go through life son."
Quote from: oyasumi on April 22, 2014, 12:25:02 PM
What bad music do you like?
Wellington's Victory
Pachelbel Canon (although I don't think it's bad, it doesn't have a good reputation around these parts)
Bow Wow Wow "Prince of Darkness: Sinner Sinner Sinner" ;D
http://www.youtube.com/v/Te2-F8N8H6I
Sarge
Quote from: listener on April 21, 2014, 08:18:36 PM
"These boots are made for walkin'" - Nancy Sinatra
Although it was put to excellent use here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ_a7LadY2Y
I loved 80's music in the early 80s, but hate hearing it now, which I don't understand, really. When I meet old friends or other people my age who still play it regularly, it gives me a creepy cold chill. I hope I'll get past it. As youngsters we all agreed that the most horrible music of all time was disco, but I remember someone putting "Stayin' Alive" on at a party, as a joke (circa 1990), and we were all amazed that it really is terrifically well produced and played, and fairly sophisticated (that disc anyway).
About someone's comment earlier that there hasn't been any "rock" for years, I think it's kinda true--on American radio. British Alternative (or whatever it's called) has lots of very good stuff--and very musical, IMO. The problem in the US is that rock musicians listen to nothing except older popular rock, so their parameters are progressively shrinking.