All other composers are inferior to Beethoven

[Gurn Blanston]

....
There is some truth in that. However, when people participate in a discussion and prove to be unable to support their wild theses with hard facts based on solid musical knowledge and understanding, and then resort to declaring themselves generally superior to those whose points they could not answer, and declare that they are part of a mental elite whose views are above those who delivered a more solid argumentation based in reality, then that is a personal insult directed at the discussion partners, too. So there are no "victims" here.

Amen.

And I will add further that those who complain about lack of moderation here need look to themselves to find it. The purpose of moderation is NOT to save you from yourself. If you feel that you can propose any number of absurd theses and do it with impunity on the ill-conceived basis that a mod will save you, then you have, indeed, come to the wrong place. Speaking personally, I derive a good deal of pleasure seeing Twisted Theorists, Ridiculous Revisionists and Bombastic Blowhards get their comeuppance in the face of simple, logical intelligent riposte. And if, occasionally, a spade gets called a spade in the process, then so be it. Self-moderation is the single most important form of moderation.




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Now playing:
December 22, 1808 - Zurich Tonhalle Orchestre / Zinman  Bronfman - Bia 486 Op 80 Fantasy in c for Orchestra, Piano & Chorus "Choral Fantasy"

[greg]

oh, here's the next standup:

Is it wrong for, say, my dog to date a frog even though they are of different species? There's this frog that keeps on coming out on the patio and my dog keeps on licking it- the first time it was in a corner. Then last night, after i brought the dog in, i saw it right by the window, waiting for me to let him out (and they were both staring at each other).
I don't know if this is a friendship or dating, since i've forgotten how to speak Dog and also Frog.

Greg.....what am I going to say to you? You say something nice about me, then repeat the very urgings I asked you to forgo. As your babysitter, and my rates are reasonable, go to your room and no TV for the rest of the night.

I am in my room. My little brother is watching TV right next to me, and it's the morning. I'm very confused. 

Now....how about discussion of music.

hmmmmm now what were we supposed to discuss here?....

[M forever]

M, I do see your point; I see the insult in, 'Blah' is the greatest composer, anyone who cannot see this without argument is a mental defective. Yes, but it is more generalist than specific to a person. I am not trying to encourage people to get round the main rule of the site by imaginative generalist insults that really are veiled personal insults.

Not really veiled at all. And not generalist either, but very specifically directed at all the people who participated in the discussion. Which I didn't. I just tuned in to point that out because it gets on my nerves that people often behave like that but then see themselves as victims when they get called on how they behaved to other people; and not just random other people; people who actually gave them respect enough to invest their time, participate in the discussion and offer arguments; that, I think, is the worst form of insult, and as certified master of the elaborate putdown I know what I am talking about.

Sorry about the long sentences with all the commas and semicolons, BTW. I just re-read parts of "Moby Dick".

[knight66]

Sorry about the long sentences with all the commas and semicolons, BTW. I just re-read parts of "Moby Dick".

And you are still sentient! Congrats. As I did say, you have a point. Anyway, let's move on.

Mike

[longears]

Now playing:
December 22, 1808 - Zurich Tonhalle Orchestre / Zinman  Bronfman - Bia 486 Op 80 Fantasy in c for Orchestra, Piano & Chorus "Choral Fantasy"

Is this as good as the same forces' concertos?
There was a nice televised performance on the Kennedy Center Honors show the other night featuring Jonathon Biss and the Peabody orchestra and chorus in a tribute to Leon Fleisher.  I realized both that it's a good piece and that I haven't a recording.  Didn't know Zinman, et al, had recorded it.

[Gurn Blanston]

Is this as good as the same forces' concertos?
There was a nice televised performance on the Kennedy Center Honors show the other night featuring Jonathon Biss and the Peabody orchestra and chorus in a tribute to Leon Fleisher.  I realized both that it's a good piece and that I haven't a recording.  Didn't know Zinman, et al, had recorded it.

I have 4 or 5 versions of this, and it is as good as any, better than most. I like Bronfman's playing, and the orchestral accompaniment and choral work is very good. If you like others in this series, then I can easily recommend this one.



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Now playing:
February 27, 1814 - Hanover Band / Roy Goodman - Bia 544 Op 92 Symphony #7 in A 1st mvmt - Poco sostenuto - Vivace 

[M forever]

Now playing:
February 27, 1814 - Hanover Band / Roy Goodman - Bia 544 Op 92 Symphony #7 in A 1st mvmt - Poco sostenuto - Vivace 

Goodman again? Why do you do that to yourself? 

[Gurn Blanston]

Goodman again? Why do you do that to yourself? 

Self abuse is the greatest form, don'tcha think?

Anyway, like I told you the other night, I really do like the performances, despite the horrendous sound deficiencies, which even I can hear...



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February 27, 1814 - Hanover Band / Roy Goodman - Bia 544 Op 92 Symphony #7 in A 1st mvmt - Poco sostenuto - Vivace

[knight66]

Goodman again? Why do you do that to yourself? 

That from the man who is reading Moby Dick! 0:)

Mike

Edit for spelling...there's a surprise.

[longears]

I have 4 or 5 versions of this, and it is as good as any, better than most. I like Bronfman's playing, and the orchestral accompaniment and choral work is very good. If you like others in this series, then I can easily recommend this one.

Just checking my catalog and find that I do have at least one recording:  Grimaud's with Salonen.  Best give this a spin right now!

[longears]

That from the man who is reading Mobey Dick! 0:)

Ack!  Mike (Knight)!  Moby Dick is one of the greats!  An American Don Quixote!  And almost as funny.  Plus it has cooking tips!

[Gurn Blanston]

Ack!  Mike (Knight)!  Moby Dick is one of the greats!  An American Don Quixote!  And almost as funny.  Plus it has cooking tips!

Boil that blubber down, boys,
pass that ho'cake 'round
The only song I ever did sing was
boil that blubber down...





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Now playing:
February 27, 1814 - Hanover Band / Roy Goodman - Bia 544 Op 92 Symphony #7 in A 2nd mvmt - Allegretto

[knight66]

As I recall Moby Dick also contains an explanation of how to make an apron out of the foreskin of a whale, not something you encounter in very many books. I read it a very long time ago, now I think it unlikely I will plough through it a second time. I probably need the Readers Digest edition in my dotage; but for sure they would cut out the apron making.

Mike

[greg]

A Moby Dick-Dick apron.
wow.

[greg]

wait..... wasn't this thread about Beethoven?

[Gurn Blanston]

As I recall Moby Dick also contains an explanation of how to make an apron out of the foreskin of a whale, not something you encounter in very many books. I read it a very long time ago, now I think it unlikely I will plough through it a second time. I probably need the Readers Digest edition in my dotage; but for sure they would cut out the apron making.

Mike

Crikey, I forgot that!   The Mohel would need a saber! Anyway, I don't know about an apron, but as a Texan, my first thought is "that would make a hell of a pair of boots".



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February 27, 1814 - Hanover Band / Roy Goodman - Bia 544 Op 92 Symphony #7 in A 2nd mvmt - Allegretto

[Gurn Blanston]

wait..... wasn't this thread about Beethoven?

Let him get his own apron...



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February 27, 1814 - Hanover Band / Roy Goodman - Bia 544 Op 92 Symphony #7 in A 3rd mvmt - Presto - Assai meno presto

[Que]

...However, when people participate in a discussion .... and then resort to declaring themselves generally superior to those whose points they could not answer, and declare that they are part of a mental elite whose views are above those who delivered a more solid argumentation based in reality, then that is a personal insult directed at the discussion partners, too...

Yes, good point, M.

Ack!  Mike (Knight)!  Moby Dick is one of the greats!  An American Don Quixote!  And almost as funny.  Plus it has cooking tips!

"Don Quixote", very appropriate for this thread.

Q

[longears]

Let him get his own apron...

It was bound to happen on this thread, sooner or later:  through the nose, Gurn, through the nose....

[karlhenning]

Historically term idiot refers to "layman, person lacking professional skill"

No comment.

Nope, not a one.