Heinz Holliger,... Murderer!!

[Mandryka]

Anyone listening to Holliger lately? No posts in this thread in 4+ years seems to suggest otherwise but maybe...

Scardanelli Zyklus. Machaut transcriptions.

[vers la flamme]

What is the Scardanelli Zyklus all about?

[Mandryka]

What is the Scardanelli Zyklus all about?

This is quite a good summary of the thing.

https://artandthoughts.fr/2013/05/25/friedrich-holderlin-scardanelli/

[Iota]

Machaut transcriptions.

Those Machaut transcriptions are extraordinarily beautiful. The work of a rare sensibility I think.

What is the Scardanelli Zyklus all about?

As well as Mandryka's link above, there's also this interesting article.

https://ecmreviews.com/2010/02/17/scardanelli-zyklus/

[vers la flamme]

Ah, it's a Hölderlin thing. I just spent a good bit of time reading up on him a week or two back.

[Mandryka]

As well as Mandryka's link above, there's also this interesting article.

https://ecmreviews.com/2010/02/17/scardanelli-zyklus/

I think you've just unearthed an example of blatant plagiarism!

[Iota]

I think you've just unearthed an example of blatant plagiarism!

Haha, oh right!

[vers la flamme]

Just now heard Winter III. Wow, I'm awestruck. This is amazing music. Rare sensibility indeed!!

[Mandryka]

I found this last night, on Spotify, it sounds interesting, some ensemble pieces and an set of short pieces for organ - all in German post war avant garde style. .



Later Rihm and later Holliger have much in common I think. The second quartet, for example.

[vers la flamme]

I listened to the Machaut Transcriptions on my flight yesterday. What a fascinating work, illustrating the essentially avantgarde nature of Machaut's music (or is it some kind of postmodern avantgarde perversion of Machaut's music?), but in any case I found it quite effective. Now I want to get the CD...

Scardanelli-Zyklus is on the way to me, the ECM recording (is there any other?)—I'm excited to spend time with the music. Still loving the Lieder ohne Worte disc.

[Mandryka]

I listened to the Machaut Transcriptions on my flight yesterday. What a fascinating work, illustrating the essentially avantgarde nature of Machaut's music (or is it some kind of postmodern avantgarde perversion of Machaut's music?), but in any case I found it quite effective. Now I want to get the CD...

Scardanelli-Zyklus is on the way to me, the ECM recording (is there any other?)—I'm excited to spend time with the music. Still loving the Lieder ohne Worte disc.

The ECM is I think the only commercial recording of the zyklus, there is at least one bootleg of a concert circulating.

[petrarch]

The ECM is I think the only commercial recording of the zyklus, there is at least one bootleg of a concert circulating.

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,16944.msg488432.html#msg488432

https://www.amazon.com/Atelier-Schola-Cantorum-Aurèle-Nicolet/dp/B003U3HUCK

[Mandryka]

I listened to the Machaut Transcriptions on my flight yesterday. What a fascinating work, illustrating the essentially avantgarde nature of Machaut's music (or is it some kind of postmodern avantgarde perversion of Machaut's music?), but in any case I found it quite effective. Now I want to get the CD...

I wonder if you will like this



http://5against4.com/2020/02/19/jennifer-walshe-a-late-anthology-of-early-music-vol-1-ancient-to-renaissance/
https://jenniferwalshe.bandcamp.com/album/a-late-anthology-of-early-music-vol-1-ancient-to-renaissance

[vers la flamme]

I wonder if you will like this



http://5against4.com/2020/02/19/jennifer-walshe-a-late-anthology-of-early-music-vol-1-ancient-to-renaissance/
https://jenniferwalshe.bandcamp.com/album/a-late-anthology-of-early-music-vol-1-ancient-to-renaissance

First impression, it sounds totally bonkers. I will have to give it further attention before arriving at any opinion. I know nothing of the composer.

[Mandryka]

First impression, it sounds totally bonkers. I will have to give it further attention before arriving at any opinion. I know nothing of the composer.

Yes she's a composer who seem to appeal to people who are bonkers. I started to listen to this new one last night



What surprised me is not just the music, which seems rather nice if you like reeds, both the Holliger and the Kurtag, but how much I enjoyed the short pieces of poetry - very nicely and naturally recited in French - if you don't understand spoken French you may not appreciate them.

[Skogwald]

I've been listening to Scardanelli-Zyklus recently. There's a lot of beautiful music but I'm not yet sure how it hangs together... It's two and a half hours and there's so much different stuff. Are the pieces in between the vocal pieces meant to evoke one of the seasons too?

Maybe the whole thing will click one day, but for now I prefer listening to just The Seasons on this disc:

[Mandryka]

Is the Scardanelli Zyklus aleatoric in some sense - mobile form?

[Mandryka]

I've been listening to Scardanelli-Zyklus recently. There's a lot of beautiful music but I'm not yet sure how it hangs together... It's two and a half hours and there's so much different stuff. Are the pieces in between the vocal pieces meant to evoke one of the seasons too?

Maybe the whole thing will click one day, but for now I prefer listening to just The Seasons on this disc:

I didn't know about this recording, it's streaming so I'll certainly listen. The effect of Holliger's instrumental interludes is rather like the effect of his Machaut transcriptions on his ECM recording Orlando Consort.