USA Politics

[drogulus]

     It looks like dementia as well as NPD

     Everyone knows what's happening, but so far all the most knowledgeable people have reasons not to talk about it. One point that's clear is that many Americans have a deep understanding of dementia and its progression and for them the invocation of a "Goldwater Rule" must be a sick joke.

[drogulus]

     Why won't his family intervene to get him the care he needs?

[Karl Henning]

     Why won't his family intervene to get him the care he needs?

Guess he's just been too much of a shit, too consistently.

[drogulus]

Guess he's just been too much of a shit, too consistently.

     I think it looks like a Gordian knot to them. Perhaps they hope they can take him home early next year and he doesn't disintegrate further before then. The WH vipers are telling them everything is under control, but they must know under control is not what everything is. The voter session confirms what recent interviews have shown, that he no longer can function outside an environment that's carefully controlled. He wandered around looking for the car that was right in front of him when he got off the plane, yet if video and photography of such occasions is forbidden how will it be explained?

     The big media don't want to touch this. I think it's "you go first and take the heat".

[Daverz]

So the Big Bang is settled? I thought a big bounce was still in play — compression to something short of a singularity. And I've heard theories that not all information would necessarily die with a new bang or bounce.

Here's what Sean Carroll has to say about it:

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2007/04/27/how-did-the-universe-start/

[JBS]

     Why won't his family intervene to get him the care he needs?

Very often the patient will refuse care, often in a very determined fashion, especially if the diagnosis is made relatively late and the patient has lost the ability to come to terms with it while still functioning with some mental competency.

Is Trump that sort of patient? We don't know. We don't have access to his medical records, and without those any diagnosis is pure speculation and should be treated as fake news. There are various forms of dementia and no case is alike, so none of us are in a position to say anything worthwhile.

[Herman]

    He wandered around looking for the car that was right in front of him when he got off the plane, yet if video and photography of such occasions is forbidden how will it be explained?

     The big media don't want to touch this. I think it's "you go first and take the heat".

what's this? I seemed to have missed this.

[krummholz]

Very often the patient will refuse care, often in a very determined fashion, especially if the diagnosis is made relatively late and the patient has lost the ability to come to terms with it while still functioning with some mental competency.

Is Trump that sort of patient? We don't know. We don't have access to his medical records, and without those any diagnosis is pure speculation and should be treated as fake news. There are various forms of dementia and no case is alike, so none of us are in a position to say anything worthwhile.

+1 to this. Best we confine ourselves to his performance as president. It's all we can really discuss with confidence, and it is plenty bad,

[drogulus]

Is Trump that sort of patient? We don't know. We don't have access to his medical records, and without those any diagnosis is pure speculation and should be treated as fake news. There are various forms of dementia and no case is alike, so none of us are in a position to say anything worthwhile.

     We have the same information that would cause you to take a relative to the doctor, who would refer your relative to a neurologist for an in person examination and an MRI to pin down what kind of damage could cause the numerous symptoms he's displaying. This is not analogous to long distance Freudian psychoanalysis. We don't know which kind of dementia he has, but he has one of them.

what's this? I seemed to have missed this.

     https://www.youtube.com/v/sF5TGQgQJeA

[drogulus]

     Trump's cognitive deficits seem worse. We need to know if he has dementia: Psychologist

     I suppose this skirts any Goldwater problems. I only would add that it's clear why we need to know, as the article discusses.

[arpeggio]

Olivia Troye, who worked as homeland security, counterterrorism and coronavirus adviser to Vice President Pence for two years, said that the administration's response cost lives and that she will vote for Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden this fall because of her experience in the Trump White House.

Of course according to Trump she is just another disgruntle employee.

[Herman]

Having watched the footage of Trump coming from the aeroplane, I would not say he was "wandering around aimlessly". It looks like he wanted to "walk purposefully" for the cameras, do a performance, rather than get in the car. And, indeed, he forgot what the plan was (= get in the car to the WH or whatever).

Trump is 100% performer. It's the one thing he loves about being POTUS. No matter what he does, there will be cameras.

So I'm not sure this is clear evidence of dementia or diminishing mental control. The images of him wandering the WH lawn look more like that. And things like "herd mentality".

And of course, knowing the Trump / GOP m.o., the finger pointing at Biden's cognitive state. Whenever Trump or the GOP accuses Biden or the Dems of something, one can be sure the GOP did it.

[Florestan]

     We have the same information that would cause you to take a relative to the doctor, who would refer your relative to a neurologist for an in person examination and an MRI to pin down what kind of damage could cause the numerous symptoms he's displaying. This is not analogous to long distance Freudian psychoanalysis. We don't know which kind of dementia he has, but he has one of them.

So, over the years you made apodictic pronouncements regarding philosophy (including but not limited to logic, epistemology, ethics, philosophy of science, philosophy of religion), economics, history of science, religion, theology, cosmology, astrophysics, psychology, psychiatry, neurology. Is it any science you have no knowedge of, or topic you have no opinion on, I wonder? And now that I think of it, yes there is: music and musicology, because you never ever posted about them, at least not since I joined this forum 13 years ago.

[JBS]

Having watched the footage of Trump coming from the aeroplane, I would not say he was "wandering around aimlessly". It looks like he wanted to "walk purposefully" for the cameras, do a performance, rather than get in the car. And, indeed, he forgot what the plan was (= get in the car to the WH or whatever).

Trump is 100% performer. It's the one thing he loves about being POTUS. No matter what he does, there will be cameras.

So I'm not sure this is clear evidence of dementia or diminishing mental control. The images of him wandering the WH lawn look more like that. And things like "herd mentality".

And of course, knowing the Trump / GOP m.o., the finger pointing at Biden's cognitive state. Whenever Trump or the GOP accuses Biden or the Dems of something, one can be sure the GOP did it.

Regarding the images of Trump wandering around on the WH lawn:
In the most widely circulated clip like that, it turned out he was simply waiting for Melania to join him before going to wherever it was they were going to.

[Todd]

Having watched the footage of Trump coming from the aeroplane, I would not say he was "wandering around aimlessly". It looks like he wanted to "walk purposefully" for the cameras, do a performance, rather than get in the car. And, indeed, he forgot what the plan was (= get in the car to the WH or whatever).

Trump is 100% performer. It's the one thing he loves about being POTUS. No matter what he does, there will be cameras.

So I'm not sure this is clear evidence of dementia or diminishing mental control. The images of him wandering the WH lawn look more like that. And things like "herd mentality".

And of course, knowing the Trump / GOP m.o., the finger pointing at Biden's cognitive state. Whenever Trump or the GOP accuses Biden or the Dems of something, one can be sure the GOP did it.

GMG is the web destination for expert media analysis. 

[milk]

Regarding the images of Trump wandering around on the WH lawn:
In the most widely circulated clip like that, it turned out he was simply waiting for Melania to join him before going to wherever it was they were going to.

That'd be a good song: "Waiting for Melania." What would the lyrics be?

[drogulus]

Regarding the images of Trump wandering around on the WH lawn:
In the most widely circulated clip like that, it turned out he was simply waiting for Melania to join him before going to wherever it was they were going to.

     That's true.

Having watched the footage of Trump coming from the aeroplane, I would not say he was "wandering around aimlessly". It looks like he wanted to "walk purposefully" for the cameras, do a performance, rather than get in the car. And, indeed, he forgot what the plan was (= get in the car to the WH or whatever).

     It's possible that you're right, though the aide pointing out the location of the car might suggest something else.
     

     

So, over the years you made apodictic pronouncements regarding philosophy (including but not limited to logic, epistemology, ethics, philosophy of science, philosophy of religion), economics, history of science, religion, theology, cosmology, astrophysics, psychology, psychiatry, neurology. Is it any science you have no knowedge of, or topic you have no opinion on, I wonder? And now that I think of it, yes there is: music and musicology, because you never ever posted about them, at least not since I joined this forum 13 years ago.

      From this I gather that you would not take your relative to the doctor if he/she was exhibiting multiple alarming symptoms on the grounds that you lack qualifications, or even better, that these phenomena are something you "don't know about".

      I do seem to have accumulated too many interests to not know about. If I pared them down I might accomplish an important goal I don't have.

[greg]

So it appears Biden still hasn't accepted the debate against Trump moderated by Joe Rogan. Trump has already enthusiastically accepted days ago.

If he approves, maybe someone can update.

[Herman]

That'd be a good song: "Waiting for Melania." What would the lyrics be?

Waiting for Melania
To slap my hands away.
She don't want no lovin'
Unless it's Justin.

She doesn't like my Wall,
She doesn't like the White House,
I'm scared of her looks,
I got the White House Blues.

etc

[drogulus]

     U.S. Admits That Congressman Offered Pardon to Assange If He Covered Up Russia Links

     The government isn't contesting the deal was offered. They say Trump wasn't involved.

Robinson said the two Americans claimed to be emissaries from Washington and "wanted us to believe they were acting on behalf of the president." The pair allegedly told Assange that they could help grant him a pardon in exchange for him revealing information about the source of the WikiLeaks information that proved it was not the Russians who hacked Democratic emails.

     Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs to be deposed in Seth Rich lawsuit: report

     I get the impression that Trumpists are running out of options.