USA Politics

SimonNZ · October 15, 2020, 04:36:59 PM

A "single" negative trait...?

greg · October 15, 2020, 04:58:30 PM

Quote from: SimonNZ on October 15, 2020, 04:36:59 PM
A "single" negative trait...?

He sure has more than a single one, but I could easily imagine they wouldn't be nearly such a big deal if he ran as a Democrat (which supposedly he used to be).

SimonNZ · October 15, 2020, 05:17:50 PM

What's telling is that he had to become a Republican to find a path to political power, as the Democrats, whatever other faults they may have, still don't tolerate the equivalent of Tea Party or QAnon craziness in their elected officials. Can you point to any D like that on the other side of the aisle which justifies you saying "wouldn't be nearly such a big deal if he ran as a Democrat"?

greg · October 15, 2020, 05:37:20 PM

Quote from: SimonNZ on October 15, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
What's telling is that he had to become a Republican to find a path to political power, as the Democrats, whatever other faults they may have, still don't tolerate the equivalent of Tea Party or QAnon craziness in their elected officials.

If you want to look at it that way, go ahead. It still seems like you are starting that train of thought with the assumption that he is white supremacist, leading to a circle thought (which I saw in another post on the last page I think, but didn't point it out). "He is racist, therefore he had to join the party people associate with racism, which proves he's racist."

Quote from: SimonNZ on October 15, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
Can you point to any D like that on the other side of the aisle which justifies you saying "wouldn't be nearly such a big deal if he ran as a Democrat"?

Yeah, like I mentioned about Biden's quotes/criticisms, I don't see the mainstream media building a narrative that he is a racist based on them.

It does seem the more hardcore progressives would have that criticism, though, and probably wouldn't be the type to vote for him, anyways.

Zeus · October 15, 2020, 05:48:57 PM

Trump lacks sufficient impulse control to engage in a debate like an adult. Or even answer an uncomfortable question without trying to talk over the questioner.

If I were Biden, I would refuse the third debate unless it could be agreed that the other side's microphone is turned off while one side is answering a question. Otherwise the third debate will be another farce.

I really, really hope that this dark chapter in our history is almost over. And that Trump keeps one promise: that he will disappear completely if he loses.

Karl Henning · October 15, 2020, 06:20:01 PM

Quote from: Zeus on October 15, 2020, 05:48:57 PM
Trump lacks sufficient impulse control to engage in a debate like an adult. Or even answer an uncomfortable question without trying to talk over the questioner.

If I were Biden, I would refuse the third debate unless it could be agreed that the other side's microphone is turned off while one side is answering a question. Otherwise the third debate will be another farce.

I really, really hope that this dark chapter in our history is almost over. And that Trump keeps one promise: that he will disappear completely if he loses.

He didn't mean that "promise," He doesn't admit the possibility that he will lose. To be a loser is his chief hatred.

greg · October 15, 2020, 09:07:39 PM

I guess denouncing it yet again tonight isn't good enough, even if it's off script.

Reminds me of church... are you really saved? Pray like at least 5 different time throughout the course of several years to make sure, try to be sincere, but you'll never really be 100% sure because it's someone else silently judging you lol

Herman · October 15, 2020, 11:35:14 PM

Virtually all Trump's statements are bald-faced lies.

So it's easy for him to say he 'rejects white supremacism.'

White supremacists watching knows what he means.

He means: 'I need to win the election so as to Make America White Again.'

Herman · October 15, 2020, 11:41:51 PM

That's why his denunciations are always heavily qualified.
Here's the NYT fact checker:

"Asked during the September presidential debate to condemn white supremacist and militia groups, Mr. Trump said "sure, I'm willing" but did not outright denounce them. "I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing," he said as Mr. Biden and the moderator, Chris Wallace, pressed for a condemnation."

Last night I believe Trump, asked again, went into a both-sider, sort of the negative equivalent of "good people on both sides," briefly saying he had denounced white supremacists, and then launching into a lotta stuff about Antifa and "the people on the left that are burning down our cities that are run by Democrats" getting more and more into it, overshadowing the statement about the white supremacists, because he clearly doesn't feel it's his job to say that.

Crazy Uncle is not president of the United States, but of White America.

Todd · October 16, 2020, 04:30:12 AM

Shares of gun makers gain as Biden's lead grows

It might be a one time shot.

Karl Henning · October 16, 2020, 07:27:23 AM

His bullshit never passes the laugh test:
"I know nothing about [Qanon]," Trump said. "I do know they are very much against pedophilia. They fight it very hard."

Which is it? "I know nothing about it" or "I do know they are very much against pedophilia. They fight it very hard"?

Karl Henning · October 16, 2020, 07:29:45 AM

"On the masks, you have two stories," Trump said, claiming falsely that most people who wear masks contract the virus.

Pohjolas Daughter · October 16, 2020, 07:29:51 AM

I was shocked to find out that Republicans were setting up illegal ballot drop boxes in California! Have they been taken down yet and hopefully the ballots therein confiscated and given to the appropriate voting authorities?

Other news: President Trump nominated for Nobel prize.

Karl Henning · October 16, 2020, 07:30:41 AM

The president has continued to predict that the virus will soon disappear, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.

greg · October 16, 2020, 07:34:28 AM

Quote from: Herman on October 15, 2020, 11:35:14 PM
Virtually all Trump's statements are bald-faced lies.

So it's easy for him to say he 'rejects white supremacism.'

White supremacists watching knows what he means.

He means: 'I need to win the election so as to Make America White Again.'

Utterly paranoid view.

Only white supremacists and paranoid people would interpret MAGA that way. Normal people don't. Not his fault if people interpret it in a weird way.

Is the US more white than it was in 2016? He would be a miserable failure in that regard, so why even vote for him for that reason if that is your thing? And the new slogan "Keep America Great" doesn't even align with that if he hasn't made America more white in the first place. "Keep American White..." huh?

Quote from: Herman on October 15, 2020, 11:41:51 PM
"Asked during the September presidential debate to condemn white supremacist and militia groups, Mr. Trump said "sure, I'm willing" but did not outright denounce them. "I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing," he said as Mr. Biden and the moderator, Chris Wallace, pressed for a condemnation."

"Sure, I'm willing," isn't good enough? Does he have to bow on the ground and cry? And why do that if people refuse to believe him anyways?

Karl Henning · October 16, 2020, 07:36:36 AM

"Independent of any specific answer, Trump's ranting, bellicose and opaque responses only cemented the impression he gave in the first debate. "Crazy uncle" actually is not too far off the mark. It is tiresome to listen to the same lies, the same evasions, the same self-reverential proclamations. He has nothing new to say, just more whackadoodle accusations and insults. He is now equal parts repugnant and boring."

Karl Henning · October 16, 2020, 07:52:02 AM

Trump fared even worse in the comparison with Biden than he did in the first debate. Voters could literally turn the channel, tune out Trump's noise and histrionics in favor of a calm, logical, wonkish candidate who knows what he is talking about. Biden certainly must hope that is a metaphor for the choice facing voters.

Karl Henning · October 16, 2020, 07:56:18 AM

The sad case of Ben Sasse

Pohjolas Daughter · October 16, 2020, 08:02:20 AM

Was surprised to receive a *second envelope from my town's voting clerk yesterday. It included another return envelope along with a note saying that a small number of packets had been sent out with the wrong mailing address and to carefully check mine.

This too: https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/verify/verify-are-return-addresses-on-absentee-ballot-applications-left-blank/285-4c5514cb-bffd-4c0f-bca9-e621d5644664

*Thoughts of Chicago about "Vote often" went through my head when I saw the second envelope!

PD

Herman · October 16, 2020, 08:10:51 AM

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on October 16, 2020, 07:29:51 AM
I was shocked to find out that Republicans were setting up illegal ballot drop boxes in California! Have they been taken down yet and hopefully the ballots therein confiscated and given to the appropriate voting authorities?

This story has been out there this week, and summoned to cease and desist, the CA GOP refused, in defiance of the law, figuring they can outrun the consequences.