Recordings That You Are Considering

[Papy Oli]

I'd go the DG first, but you'll probably end up wanting the Teldec box anyway. Also the Sony set if it's available. (Between the Sony and Teldec, you'll have almost all the music Ligeti wrote.)

But the DG set has a broader range of works so you'll get a better sense of the composer. (Also a couple of the performances in the DG set are IMO better.)

Ok, thank you for the info. 

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Here's a BBC programme on Vaughan Williams and Bach

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001cnsx

I know that it was available for a while on Somm I believe but is now out of print.  Perhaps it might be re-released this year?

Has anyone here heard it?

I'll have to check out that program and see whether or not I can still listen to it.  Thanks for mentioning that.

PD

[staxomega]

I'd go the DG first, but you'll probably end up wanting the Teldec box anyway. Also the Sony set if it's available. (Between the Sony and Teldec, you'll have almost all the music Ligeti wrote.)

But the DG set has a broader range of works so you'll get a better sense of the composer. (Also a couple of the performances in the DG set are IMO better.)

What works do you find superior on DG? I came to the music mostly from the individual DG CDs and these are all fine performances, but I think the Teldec and Sony are all at a high level. The Sony would be my first suggestion if it's still available as everything in it is superb, it's the most complete, and several of the performances are with Ligeti in attendance. The only Ligeti performance that I can think of that is head and shoulders above the others is Gielen's first recording of Requiem.

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A question for folks, does anyone know if this is available as a regular CD? I can only find it as a Japan reissue CD from a few years ago:

[Mandryka]

What works do you find superior on DG? I came to the music mostly from the individual DG CDs and these are all fine performances, but I think the Teldec and Sony are all at a high level. The Sony would be my first suggestion if it's still available as everything in it is superb, it's the most complete, and several of the performances are with Ligeti in attendance. The only Ligeti performance that I can think of that is head and shoulders above the others is Gielen's first recording of Requiem.

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A question for folks, does anyone know if this is available as a regular CD? I can only find it as a Japan reissue CD from a few years ago:

It is here

https://www.discogs.com/release/21334606-Mahler-Deryck-Cooke-New-Philharmonia-Orchestra-Wyn-Morris-Symphony-No10

[Mandryka]

I know that it was available for a while on Somm I believe but is now out of print.  Perhaps it might be re-released this year?

Has anyone here heard it?

It's on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUTyxi9YOLw&ab_channel=JoannesCouchet

[staxomega]

It is here

https://www.discogs.com/release/21334606-Mahler-Deryck-Cooke-New-Philharmonia-Orchestra-Wyn-Morris-Symphony-No10

This is the Japan reissue CD I was referring to, I was hoping importing it from Japan wasn't the only way to get it on CD.

[Mandryka]

This is the Japan reissue CD I was referring to, I was hoping importing it from Japan wasn't the only way to get it on CD.

It has been uploaded on symphonyshare, the link is dead but if you ask you may find someone will re-up. If you're not a member I can ask on your behalf.

[staxomega]

It has been uploaded on symphonyshare, the link is dead but if you ask you may find someone will re-up. If you're not a member I can ask on your behalf.

I am a member and completely forgot about that! Thank you for the offer. I had pulled out Wyn Morris in Symphony 8 from storage and had in my heavy rotation, my memory on this being one of the finest performances held up.

[j winter]

After listening again to some of his Haydn, I'm considering Thomas Fey's Mendelssohn symphonies set.  For those who have it, does it take a similar stylistic approach to his Haydn?  I'm also curious why Fey's set is sequenced the way it is... it doesn't seem to be based on order of composition.

For comparison I have sets from Abbado, Masur and Karajan -- so I'm looking for a somewhat HIP approach for a bit of contrast...

[Daverz]

After listening again to some of his Haydn, I'm considering Thomas Fey's Mendelssohn symphonies set.  For those who have it, does it take a similar stylistic approach to his Haydn?  I'm also curious why Fey's set is sequenced the way it is... it doesn't seem to be based on order of composition.

For comparison I have sets from Abbado, Masur and Karajan -- so I'm looking for a somewhat HIP approach for a bit of contrast...

Yes, it's a HIP(ish) approach.  I wouldn't hesitate if you like Fey.

[j winter]

Yes, it's a HIP(ish) approach.  I wouldn't hesitate if you like Fey.

Thanks... this is an expensive place

[Florestan]

Any thoughts on these?



Content of the Mozart set:

[Jo498]

I think the Haydn set is very good, although some (about a disc or two) have not the greatest sound. The Sturm&Drang are studio recordings, the rest? (certainly the 12 London, not sure about Paris and 88-92) live in different halls which led to a few substandard sounding recordings.
Brüggen is also, a bit like Harnoncourt, different from many other (esp. British and Italian) HIPsters that he sometimes favors rather broad tempi or in any case a broader spectrum and does not shy away from rubato. I find some this excessive or mannered (e.g. the finale of Haydn #98) but it does give more variety than the common "fast and lean" approach.

I don't think I heard any of the Mozart. He re-recorded quite a bit of Mozart later for Glossa or another smaller label.

[Brian]

Most HIPsters consider Bruggen to be the core of a Haydn symphony collection, and I agree. He does not do the superfast tempos of for example Antonini, but his judgment is usually very good and the orchestra sounds wonderful.

Bruggen does not use harpsichord, which is a big plus for me.

[Florestan]

Thank you, guys. Sounds like a HIP approach I could enjoy (the absence of harpsichord is indeed a big plus). Will get them.

[j winter]

Is the Bruggen Haydn coming back into print?  It hasn't been available in the US for quite a while... would love to find a decently priced copy, I have a couple of single discs and think they're quite good....

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Is the Bruggen Haydn coming back into print?  It hasn't been available in the US for quite a while... would love to find a decently priced copy, I have a couple of single discs and think they're quite good....

I don't know how many of them he recorded, but there's a 2-CD set of the Paris ones (Nos. 82 - 87) for about $15 here:  https://www.amazon.com/Haydn-Paris-Symphonies-Nos-Brüggen/dp/B000026CEL/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3BPRD1DYJWPME&keywords=haydn+symphonies+Bruggen&qid=1666973199&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIyLjc3IiwicXNhIjoiMS41MCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=music&sprefix=haydn+symphonies+bruggen%2Cpopular%2C113&sr=1-4

PD

[Spotted Horses]

Is the Bruggen Haydn coming back into print?  It hasn't been available in the US for quite a while... would love to find a decently priced copy, I have a couple of single discs and think they're quite good....

It's a shame that Philips (which doesn't really exist anymore) has let them languish. I have the London symphonies on a pair of "DUO" sets, the Paris symphonies on a 2CD set and 88-92 on a pair of single disc releases. Now I see that I am missing one disc with 43, 50, 58, 59. Seems like they can be gotten if you're flexible, "Presto CDs," lossless downloads and used copies. Seems like it's time they were boxed up in a suitable edition.

[Que]

It's a shame that Philips (which doesn't really exist anymore) has let them languish.

And there's the problem... The way Universal has handled the Philips back catalogue is terrible.
We are saved by licensing by the likes of Pentatone or "straight" reissues by the Australian Universal branch on its Eloquence label.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Is the Bruggen Haydn coming back into print?  It hasn't been available in the US for quite a while... would love to find a decently priced copy, I have a couple of single discs and think they're quite good....

Besides Amazon, I took a quick look on eBay and there are bunches of them there for sale at reasonable prices--as long as you don't want the hybrid-SACD ones on Esoteric.    

PD