Coronation of King Charles III

[Wanderer]

I have found this, listing the order of service and musical works for the day:

https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/king-coronation-full-order-of-service/#:~:text=Weelkes%20Anthem,anniversary%20of%20Thomas%20Weelkes%27%20death.

Even though I had read he was meant to take care of the pre-ceremony music, I don't find details anywhere of John Eliot Gardiner's contribution or works on the day. And that was the thing I was most looking forward to.     

Very detailed listing of the works to be performed, thanks for posting this. And I see that there will indeed be a Byzantine music setting in the ceremony (performed by the Byzantine Chant Ensemble), as was previously reported. I thought it would be a newly-commissioned work chanted in English, but the article implies it will be in Greek. Even better! 

[Mandryka]

Uri Geller reveals if he will try to bend the Coronation Spoon with mind powers

https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/05/uri-geller-on-if-he-will-bend-the-coronation-spoon-with-mind-powers-18722017/

[Mandryka]

Is anyone here planning on going to London to try and get a good viewing spot to catch the procession and/or going to or having some friends over to watch it?  Or cooking anything special that day?

PD

I might make one of these

[Pohjolas Daughter]

I might make one of these

Clever!

PD

[Florestan]

Clever!

PD

Yes and I think Charles himself wouldn't mind eating one. 

[Pohjolas Daughter]

I've been hearing rainy weather forecast for Saturday.

PD

[Luke]

It absolutely pelted down an hour or two ago - still is, though less so. How auspicious!


(Edit - the moment I sent that, the rain started hammering at the building again, and the thunder is rolling as I type. Turbulent times )

[Irons]

Not up with royal protocol but if Camilla crowned Queen and not Queen Consort what stops her being the royal head of state if Charles pops his clogs rather then William? My wife threw a curved ball if Camilla, Queen then why not Duke of Edinburgh, King? 

[JBS]

Not up with royal protocol but if Camilla crowned Queen and not Queen Consort what stops her being the royal head of state if Charles pops his clogs rather then William? My wife threw a curved ball if Camilla, Queen then why not Duke of Edinburgh, King? 

I'm fairly sure the current Act of Succession lays out who can and can not be the monarch. The wife of a King can be Queen, but the husband of a Queen can't. So Prince Albert was the Prince Consort; Mary I and Anne had husbands with foreign royal titles. I don't remember Maud's marital status during the time she was fighting with Stephen for the throne; Elizabeth I of course never married. The one exception, Mary II, was co-monarch with her husband (William) via the Act of Parliament that put them on the throne in place of James II.

Assuming she outlives Charles, she will have the title Queen Dowager. I suppose an Act of Parliament could make her Queen Regnant.

[Luke]

I don't remember Maud's marital status during the time she was fighting with Stephen for the throne

Matilda? She was married to Geoffrey V Count of Anjou

[Florestan]

I'm fairly sure the current Act of Succession lays out who can and can not be the monarch. The wife of a King can be Queen, but the husband of a Queen can't. So Prince Albert was the Prince Consort; Mary I and Anne had husbands with foreign royal titles. I don't remember Maud's marital status during the time she was fighting with Stephen for the throne; Elizabeth I of course never married. The one exception, Mary II, was co-monarch with her husband (William) via the Act of Parliament that put them on the throne in place of James II.

Assuming she outlives Charles, she will have the title Queen Dowager. I suppose an Act of Parliament could make her Queen Regnant.

The probability that Camilla be Queen is nil. When Charles dies William will be the next King. Any other scenario is absurd. The Parliament would sooner make her Queen Pregnant than Queen Regnant. 

[JBS]

Matilda? She was married to Geoffrey V Count of Anjou

I should have remembered that.

[ritter]

Not up with royal protocol but if Camilla crowned Queen and not Queen Consort what stops her being the royal head of state if Charles pops his clogs rather then William? My wife threw a curved ball if Camilla, Queen then why not Duke of Edinburgh, King? 

I'm not an expert on these matters, and some sources contradict each other, but I did read somewhere that Queen Elizabeth II could have elevated Philip to the status of King Consort if she had wished to do so. She would have remained the (sole) Head of State in any case. Instead, she created him Prince of the United Kingdom in 1957.

In Spain, laws (and tradition) permit the husband of the reigning Queen to be proclaimed King, even if again he will not be seen as Head of State. The husband of Queen Isabella II (the last reigning female monarch in Spain, in the 19th century) was King Francisco, and received the treatment of "His Majesty".

AFAIK, in most European monarchies the wife of the King will automatically become Queen. Exceptional circumstances can prevent this. For instance, the second wife of Léopold III of the Belgians, Lilian, was never queen, but only "Princess of Réthy" (the King's behaviour during WW2 was controversial, his position rather shaky, and the memory of his deceased wife Queen Astrid too strong, so it was deemed unwise to elevate the new consort to regal status).

But, again, if the reigning monarch is male, his wife may be Queen, but in no way will she have the consideration of Head of State (signing of laws, dissolution of parliament, etc.).

Also, I seem to remember that when the then Prince of Wales married the then Mrs. Parker-Bowles, there had been talk that when he acceded to the throne, she would remain Duchess of Cornwall and not become Queen. When the dust settled regarding all the past pain, and her popularity rose, that idea seems to have fallen by the wayside (with the eventual blessing of her royal mother-in-law).

[Mandryka]

https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/rule-out-royal-exemptions/?link_id=5&can_id=cac911ca9380c6d6d18d89ed341ce42d&source=email-a-letter-to-the-king&email_referrer=email_1905540&email_subject=a-letter-to-the-king


Our monarchy has exempted itself from 160 laws since 1967. Laws ranging from animal welfare to workers rights.

The exemptions include most of the taxes we all have to pay. Taxes on a family worth billions while three million children, their subjects, live in poverty.

Now we have an opportunity to change that. Ask King Charles to rule out any further royal exemptions.

[Luke]

He'll never do it. He's a keen (ab)user of these exemptions himself.

*waits for the tumbril to arrive*

[vandermolen]

Will you be taking the oath?

I swear that I will pay true allegiance to your majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God

They've watered this down now. It was never a good idea.

[Wanderer]

...I did read somewhere that Queen Elizabeth II could have elevated Philip to the status of King Consort if she had wished to do so. She would have remained the (sole) Head of State in any case.

I have also read that.

[Papy Oli]

You can listen to the music played live at the coronation on BBC Radio 3.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_three

Playing Gardiner & the Monteverdi choir right now, while the guests arrive.

Caught a glimpse of JEG on the BBC a few moments ago. Of course, they talked over the music... Ditto on ITV.

[Wendell_E]

Nigel P. Wilkinson, who used to post here, posted a link to this moving Coronation tribute at another site:

Incredibly moving, I thought. 

[Florestan]

Impressive ceremony. Long live the King! --- and may Hal turn into Henry once again.