The Snowshoed Sibelius

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Roasted Swan

Quote from: Jo498 on April 05, 2023, 03:31:16 AMI am neither an expert on Sibelius nor on the Lemminkäinen suite but I think it is worth to have/play all of it, not only the "Swan". IIRC I have three complete recordings, all of which were recommended by Sibelians: Kamu/Helsinki/DG (probably only findable as part of a French twofer "Splendeurs du Nord" coupled to some Karajan), Gibson/Scottish/Chandos, Ormandy/EMI. All are good (1970s, I think) stereo recordings.

Good shout for the Kamu/Helsinki - its very good

Madiel

Just noting that there are two different Lahti SO/Vanska recordings of the Lemminkainen suite - one recorded in 1999, and another recorded in 2007 but not released until 2014.

I'm not sure which one is the that's regarded to have inferior sound quality? Perhaps it's the first one and that's why the second exists. I have the second, which is actually a hybrid SACD and I certainly don't recall any sound problems with that one.

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Karl Henning

I'll come clean: I really hadn't imagined that there were any "neglected Sibelius works."

Revival: Georgia students to perform American premiere of neglected Sibelius work
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Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: Karl Henning on April 16, 2023, 09:34:18 AMI'll come clean: I really hadn't imagined that there were any "neglected Sibelius works."

Revival: Georgia students to perform American premiere of neglected Sibelius work
Cool story!  Thanks for sharing that article!  I will eagerly await their upload to their youtube channel.

Any idea when that other (one and only) recording was done Karl?

PD

Karl Henning

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on April 16, 2023, 01:01:59 PMCool story!  Thanks for sharing that article!  I will eagerly await their upload to their youtube channel.

Any idea when that other (one and only) recording was done Karl?

PD
Dunno!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Madiel

Oh absolutely there are neglected works. Especially the student ones, but not only those.

As for the Piano Quartet JS 157 (which is a very early work), it's not surprisingly in the BIS complete edition.

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Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: Madiel on April 16, 2023, 05:05:11 PMOh absolutely there are neglected works. Especially the student ones, but not only those.

As for the Piano Quartet JS 157 (which is a very early work), it's not surprisingly in the BIS complete edition.


Ah, yes, of course.  Alas, I don't have that humango set.

PD

Madiel

David Hurwitz adores this recent release of symphonies 3 and 4. I haven't listened yet.

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Biffo

Quote from: Madiel on April 19, 2023, 03:08:04 AMDavid Hurwitz adores this recent release of symphonies 3 and 4. I haven't listened yet.



I have heard No 3, it was OK but not outstanding. I have saved the album to my Spotify library and will listen to No 4 in due course.

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vandermolen

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Quote from: Roasted Swan on April 05, 2023, 03:37:35 AMGood shout for the Kamu/Helsinki - its very good
I agree - also Thomas Jensen with the Danish RSO.
I think that I prefer the Decca Eclipse LP cover!
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calyptorhynchus

Quote from: vandermolen on June 15, 2023, 08:42:10 AMI agree - also Thomas Jensen with the Danish RSO.
I think that I prefer the Decca Eclipse LP cover!


Lol. Though the landscape cover looks more like Scotland than Finland.
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Quote from: calyptorhynchus on June 15, 2023, 06:54:20 PMLol. Though the landscape cover looks more like Scotland than Finland.
Yes, Decca Eclipse used National Trust locations I remember the Lake District in the snow standing in for the Antarctic in Sinfonia Antartica by Vaughan Williams!
Still, Eduard Van Beinum struggling with a hot potato in his mouth has a certain appeal.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Pohjolas Daughter

@Roasted Swan asked about Previn and Philly and Sibelius No. 2.  You know what?  I goofed! This is what happens when one (at least me) doesn't get a good night's sleep--that and not checking my shelves.  I was confusing my Previn/Vaughan Williams set (on RCA) on VW's symphonies with Sibelius.  Sigh...I do have his (Sibelius') No. 2 with Previn on Telarc (with the Lark), but it's with (I believe) the Royal Phil.  So no, I don't know that recording.

Are others here familiar with it?  If so, I would also like to hear your thoughts.

I also have some other sets, but need to get more coffee now.  :)

RS, which sets do you own?

PD

Roasted Swan

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on July 03, 2023, 06:05:36 AM@Roasted Swan asked about Previn and Philly and Sibelius No. 2.  You know what?  I goofed! This is what happens when one (at least me) doesn't get a good night's sleep--that and not checking my shelves.  I was confusing my Previn/Vaughan Williams set (on RCA) on VW's symphonies with Sibelius.  Sigh...I do have his (Sibelius') No. 2 with Previn on Telarc (with the Lark), but it's with (I believe) the Royal Phil.  So no, I don't know that recording.

Are others here familiar with it?  If so, I would also like to hear your thoughts.

I also have some other sets, but need to get more coffee now.  :)

RS, which sets do you own?

PD

I have a Sibelian itch that I can't stop scratching.  The result being that I have more sets of the symphonies than I can rationally justify.  Not that that has stopped me in the past or indeed probably the future.  The main ones I don't have are;

Collins/LSO
Vanska/Minnesota
that new young guy/Oslo
Dausgaard(?)/BBC PO
Rattle/Berlin

I have just about all the other main conductor sets.  Favourites are;

Kamu/Lahti
Berglund/Bournemouth
Bernstein/NYPO
Sanderling/Berlin RSO
Gibson/SNO

Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: Roasted Swan on July 03, 2023, 06:47:10 AMI have a Sibelian itch that I can't stop scratching.  The result being that I have more sets of the symphonies than I can rationally justify.  Not that that has stopped me in the past or indeed probably the future.  The main ones I don't have are;

Collins/LSO
Vanska/Minnesota
that new young guy/Oslo
Dausgaard(?)/BBC PO
Rattle/Berlin

I have just about all the other main conductor sets.  Favourites are;

Kamu/Lahti
Berglund/Bournemouth
Bernstein/NYPO
Sanderling/Berlin RSO
Gibson/SNO


LOL

And nice!  Who is that young guy Oslo though?

@Lisztianwagner Which symphonies didn't Karajan record?  By the way, on LP with him I have that Finlandia, etc., LP (on DG), Symphonies Nos. 4 & 5 with the Philharmonie and No. 6 with the Berliner Philharmoniker.  I want to say that I have (somewhere!) an LP of the second on EMI?  LPs aren't the easiest for me to access though.

PD

Lisztianwagner

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on July 03, 2023, 09:07:42 AM@Lisztianwagner Which symphonies didn't Karajan record?  By the way, on LP with him I have that Finlandia, etc., LP (on DG), Symphonies Nos. 4 & 5 with the Philharmonie and No. 6 with the Berliner Philharmoniker.  I want to say that I have (somewhere!) an LP of the second on EMI?  LPs aren't the easiest for me to access though.

PD
He didn't record Sibelius 3, if I'm not wrong. That's very probable, I have a EMI disc of Karajan's Sibelius 2 (matched with Symphony No. 5) too.
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Roasted Swan

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on July 03, 2023, 09:07:42 AMLOL

And nice!  Who is that young guy Oslo though?

@Lisztianwagner Which symphonies didn't Karajan record?  By the way, on LP with him I have that Finlandia, etc., LP (on DG), Symphonies Nos. 4 & 5 with the Philharmonie and No. 6 with the Berliner Philharmoniker.  I want to say that I have (somewhere!) an LP of the second on EMI?  LPs aren't the easiest for me to access though.

PD

Klaus Mäkelä

Lisztianwagner is correct - Karajan never recorded 3 which is why in the DG set the BPO 3 is conducted by a young Okko Kamu

Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on July 03, 2023, 09:24:39 AMHe didn't record Sibelius 3, if I'm not wrong. That's very probable, I have a EMI disc of Karajan's Sibelius 2 (matched with Symphony No. 5) too.
Do you happen to know if he recorded all of the same symphonies for both EMI and DG?

I do also have this CD--though I didn't see it in my Karajan mini/partial collection.  Earlier, I was scratching my head swearing that I had at least one CD and as part of the Karajan Edition.  Well, I was correct as it's in my iTunes library (must have missed it on the shelves as those Karajan Edition CDs that I do own are up rather high. lol ).


Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: Roasted Swan on July 03, 2023, 09:45:30 AMKlaus Mäkelä

Lisztianwagner is correct - Karajan never recorded 3 which is why in the DG set the BPO 3 is conducted by a young Okko Kamu
Oh, thanks.  I didn't know that DG had released a set of those symphonies.

PD