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prémont

Quote from: AnotherSpin on April 22, 2024, 03:17:24 AMQobuz does not name anyone on the cover as the performer of the entire set. The performers listed for each sonata:

1, 4, 7, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 21, 24, 25, 26, 27, 29 - Dubravka Tomsic.
2, 3, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11, 18, 19, 20, 22, 28, 32 - Graig Sheppard.
8 - Sviatoslav Richter.
17, 23 - Herbert Wald.
30 - Karl Ulrich Schnabel.
31 - Glenn Gould.


Indeed, I have seen this. However, if you examine the link I shared, you'll notice it's a different complete set, with all the sonatas attributed to Tomsic. This is the source of my confusion. I question the information and suspect that many of the sonatas are mistakenly or perhaps even fraudulently attributed to Tomsic.
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Florestan

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prémont

Quote from: Florestan on April 22, 2024, 01:53:41 AMhttps://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Tomsic-Dubravka.htm

https://www.allmusic.com/artist/dubravka-tomsic-mn0000380323#discography

Thanks. It is undisputed that Tomsic is an existent pianist with excellent recordings, including Beethoven's Waldstein Sonata and his First Piano Concerto. However, it appears that she has been mistakenly credited with some recordings she did not make.
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AnotherSpin

Quote from: prémont on April 22, 2024, 04:27:18 AMIndeed, I have seen this. However, if you examine the link I shared, you'll notice it's a different complete set, with all the sonatas attributed to Tomsic. This is the source of my confusion. I question the information and suspect that many of the sonatas are mistakenly or perhaps even fraudulently attributed to Tomsic.

It also says in the first line: Dubravka Tomsic & Ludwig van Beethoven. Did you see it? What should be  concluded? That they performed the "Moonlight" sonata together? Or maybe they did compose it together? Apparently Amazon music is not the most reliable source of information on serious music releases.

AnotherSpin

Quote from: prémont on April 22, 2024, 04:37:11 AMThanks. It is undisputed that Tomsic is an existent pianist with excellent recordings, including Beethoven's Waldstein Sonata and his First Piano Concerto. However, it appears that she has been mistakenly credited with some recordings she did not make.

If you know who recorded Op. 106 in this set instead of Dubravka Tomsic, please tell. I'd appreciate it.

Florestan

Quote from: prémont on April 22, 2024, 04:37:11 AMThanks. It is undisputed that Tomsic is an existent pianist with excellent recordings, including Beethoven's Waldstein Sonata and his First Piano Concerto. However, it appears that she has been mistakenly credited with some recordings she did not make.

So it appears, indeed, but she's no Joyce Hatto. The fault lies entirely with those obscure labels who released them God knows how legally, releases that she might not even be aware of.
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prémont

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Quote from: AnotherSpin on April 22, 2024, 04:38:18 AMIt also says in the first line: Dubravka Tomsic & Ludwig van Beethoven. Did you see it? What should be  concluded? That they performed the "Moonlight" sonata together? Or maybe they did compose it together? Apparently Amazon music is not the most reliable source of information on serious music releases.

Perhaps Todd, having listened to at least 150 different recordings of the Hammerklavier Sonata, might state the identity of the shadow pianist or pianists.
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prémont

Quote from: AnotherSpin on April 22, 2024, 04:42:01 AMIf you know who recorded Op. 106 in this set instead of Dubravka Tomsic, please tell. I'd appreciate it.

I haven't heard the recording - wasn't aware of it until you mentioned it - so I have no idea. I do not intend to download it as it is mp3 only.
Reality trumps our fantasy far beyond imagination.

prémont

Quote from: Florestan on April 22, 2024, 04:43:32 AMSo it appears, indeed, but she's no Joyce Hatto. The fault lies entirely with those obscure labels who released them God knows how legally, releases that she might not even be aware of.

Was Joyce Hatto aware of the recordings released in her name by her husband's obscure label?
Reality trumps our fantasy far beyond imagination.

AnotherSpin

Quote from: Florestan on April 22, 2024, 04:43:32 AMSo it appears, indeed, but she's no Joyce Hatto. The fault lies entirely with those obscure labels who released them God knows how legally, releases that she might not even be aware of.

In fact, not so. Amazon music states only her name as performer, but there is nothing like this on the cover of the box published by obscure label. I also saw similar inaccuracies on Qobuz. Christophe Coin's splendid set of Bach's cantatas is listed under the name of one of the vocalists, etc.

AnotherSpin

Quote from: prémont on April 22, 2024, 04:47:01 AMPerhaps Todd, having listened to at least 150 different recordings of the Hammerklavier Sonata, might also state the identity of the shadow pianist or pianists.

Ask Todd, that's your doubt. And before that doubt becomes a certainty, let me consider Dubravka Tomsic a performer :) .

vandermolen

Quote from: Florestan on April 22, 2024, 03:21:50 AM

First encounter with Holbrooke's music. I'm positively impressed.
That's a nice Holbrooke disc, although generally I prefer his chamber music.
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'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Florestan

Quote from: AnotherSpin on April 22, 2024, 04:56:13 AMIn fact, not so. Amazon music states only her name as performer, but there is nothing like this on the cover of the box published by obscure label. I also saw similar inaccuracies on Qobuz. Christophe Coin's splendid set of Bach's cantatas is listed under the name of one of the vocalists, etc.

Okay, then it's a fault shared by the label and Amazon Music.
Quote from: prémont on April 22, 2024, 04:53:58 AMWas Joyce Hatto aware of the recordings released in her name by her husband's obscure label?

It's admittedly a mess but I doubt this a new Hatto case in the making.
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AnotherSpin


prémont

Quote from: Florestan on April 22, 2024, 05:02:28 AMIt's admittedly a mess but I doubt this a new Hatto case in the making.

Indeed, even on a smaller scale, the readiness to make faulty attributions, whether intentional or not, for commercial purposes persists.
Reality trumps our fantasy far beyond imagination.

prémont

Quote from: AnotherSpin on April 22, 2024, 05:00:55 AMAsk Todd, that's your doubt. And before that doubt becomes a certainty, let me consider Dubravka Tomsic a performer :) .

OK, consider my doubt for what it is.
Reality trumps our fantasy far beyond imagination.

prémont

Quote from: AnotherSpin on April 22, 2024, 05:06:14 AMOp. 106



A wonderful mild and poetic interpretation IMO, one of my faves for this sonaata.
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AnotherSpin

Quote from: Florestan on April 22, 2024, 05:02:28 AMOkay, then it's a fault shared by the label and Amazon Music.
It's admittedly a mess but I doubt this a new Hatto case in the making.

Could you help me to see the name of Dubravka Tomsic on the cover of the box, published by the label? ;)

prémont

Quote from: AnotherSpin on April 22, 2024, 05:15:48 AMCould you help me to see the name of Dubravka Tomsic on the cover of the box, published by the label? ;)

Whether the attribution is on the cover or elsewhere makes no difference.
Reality trumps our fantasy far beyond imagination.

Florestan

Quote from: AnotherSpin on April 22, 2024, 05:15:48 AMCould you help me to see the name of Dubravka Tomsic on the cover of the box, published by the label? ;)

Actually, what label is that, anyway? Neither the cover you originally posted nor the one on the Amazon Music, which is different, do not identify it. I googled the cover you posted and the only exact match was on Deezer but when I clicked the link, I got this:

https://www.deezer.com/en/album/7177744

So, we have two different covers with no clearly specified label or performer(s) and Amazon Music claiming it's an all-Dubravka Tomsic recording. As I said, a complete mess.  :D
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