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[Spotted Horses]

https://static.qobuz.com/goodies/46/000105964.pdf

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I find myself mostly left behind by Koechlin's orchestral music, but I should look into his chamber music.

[ritter]

I find myself mostly left behind by Koechlin's orchestral music, but I should look into his chamber music.

Same feeling here, but I haven't been much impressed by the chamber music either. I should check out that Quintet, though. On ne sait jamais...

[Mandryka]

The two chamber pieces which have caught my attention so far are the second quartet and that piano quintet.  The quintet is kind of 1st World War reaction music I think. Problematic score, I think the one from Quintette Syntonia is supposed to be based on the most scholarly reconstruction from the manuscripts -- I just downloaded it  in fact.

[Spotted Horses]

Same feeling here, but I haven't been much impressed by the chamber music either. I should check out that Quintet, though. On ne sait jamais...

My reaction to Koechlin orchestral music usually goes one of two different ways. 1) Wow, what a beautiful, shimmering voicing...something should have happened by now. 2) Wow, what a beautiful, shimmering voicing...wait, what's that whistling noise, is something wrong with my stereo? Oh, ondes Martenot.

[ritter]

My reaction to Koechlin orchestral music usually goes one of two different ways. 1) Wow, what a beautiful, shimmering voicing...something should have happened by now. 2) Wow, what a beautiful, shimmering voicing...wait, what's that whistling noise, is something wrong with my stereo? Oh, ondes Martenot.

I'm more in the "1" camp.

I usually don't have any issues with the ondes Martenot. But once, I was listening to a Jolivet CD in my car, and heard the ambulance approaching with its siren at full blast . When I was seeing how I could get out of its way, I realised there was no ambulance in the vicinity, it was the ondes from the CD in the car stereo. 

[Mandryka]

Do you guys prefer the piano version of Les Heures Persanes to the orchestrated version?

[ritter]

I'll have to relisten to both versions before venturing an opinion

I do recall that the piano version bored me to tears...


Les Heures perzzzzZZZZZ...

[Mandryka]

I'll have to relisten to both versions before venturing an opinion

I do recall that the piano version bored me to tears...


Les Heures perzzzzZZZZZ...

How do you actually pronounce his name?  Does the first syllable rhyme with peu? And the second rhyme with vin?  Does the  ch sound like cheval?

les heures persanes -- faut pas sommeiller. C'est plutôt la douce rêverie.

[ritter]

How do you actually pronounce his name?  Does the first syllable rhyme with peu? And the second rhyme with vin?  Does the  ch sound like cheval?

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I previously thought it was something like what you say, i.e. "Keushlan" (kinda), but apparently it's "Keuqlan". The "oe" does indeed sound like the "eu" of peu...

https://es.forvo.com/search/Koechlin/

[Spotted Horses]

How do you actually pronounce his name?  Does the first syllable rhyme with peu? And the second rhyme with vin?  Does the  ch sound like cheval?

les heures persanes -- faut pas sommeiller. C'est plutôt la douce rêverie.

I assumed it was originally German, with hard ch and oe approximating o with umlaut.

I found this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/etymology/comments/m42l71/whats_the_etymology_of_the_french_surname_koechlin/?rdt=60047

[MickeyBoy]

How do you actually pronounce his name?  Does the first syllable rhyme with peu? And the second rhyme with vin?  Does the  ch sound like cheval?

I always thought it was like Kechlin (French way) or Keshlin (English) both with nasalised 'lin'

[pjme]

This I found (many years ago...) on the site of the Koechlin family:

https://archive.ph/DTzso#selection-945.1-1013.3

Vous l'avez compris, le nom Koechlin se prononce donc : "Kéklin". Vous voilà informé : vous n'avez plus aucune excuse pour écorcher notre beau nom de famille !

[pjme]

its siren at full blast . When I was seeing how I could get out of its way, I realised there was no ambulance in the vicinity,

Still, Jolivet's 1947 concerto is by far the best!! (and no siren-like sounds to mu ears...)

Other goid Martenot concertos: Marcel Landowski and jacques Charpentier Concertino a la francese

[Florestan]

I previously thought it was something like what you say, i.e. "Keushlan" (kinda), but apparently it's "Keuqlan". The "oe" does indeed sound like the "eu" of peu...

https://es.forvo.com/search/Koechlin/

Funny enough, there all the variants of pronunciation on that page: Keushlan, Keuqlan, Koklan, Keklan. 

This I found (many years ago...) on the site of the Koechlin family:

https://archive.ph/DTzso#selection-945.1-1013.3

Vous l'avez compris, le nom Koechlin se prononce donc : "Kéklin". Vous voilà informé : vous n'avez plus aucune excuse pour écorcher notre beau nom de famille !

That settles it for good, then.

[ritter]

Funny enough, there all the variants of pronunciation on that page: Keushlan, Keuqlan, Koklan, Keklan. 

I listened to two (by alleged native French speakers) that that were "Keuqlan" and thought that was it... 

I'd say it is a useful page, in any case..

[Florestan]

I listened to two (by alleged native French speakers) that that were "Keuqlan" and thought that was it... 

I'd say it is a useful page, in any case..

Two? There is only one Keuqlan (Charles) on that page. It's Keqlin that it's actually pronounced twice (Maurice and Nicolas). 

[Florestan]

This I found (many years ago...) on the site of the Koechlin family:

https://archive.ph/DTzso#selection-945.1-1013.3

Vous l'avez compris, le nom Koechlin se prononce donc : "Kéklin". Vous voilà informé : vous n'avez plus aucune excuse pour écorcher notre beau nom de famille !

They also say:

à part "chtimi" qui est dialectal, connaissez-vous un mot français dans lequel le "ch" suivi d'une consonne ne soit pas prononcée "k" ?

Actually, yes I do, although it's not a word but a surname (just as Koechlin is): Kouchner, as in Bernard Kouchner. 

[ritter]

Charles Koechlin is a rare example of a composer whose music is far less interesting than the pronunciation of his name... 

[Florestan]

Charles Koechlin is a rare example of a composer whose music is far less interesting than the pronunciation of his name... 

Good for you I wasn't sipping anything while reading, otherwise you might have owed me a keyboard.   

[Jo498]

Frog mangling of an Alsatian (or originally Swiss) name that probably was originally (i.e. ~400 years ago ) pronounced in the German way (cf. Ludwig von Koechel). It could mean "little cook" regionally (modern German "Köchlein")

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famille_Koechlin