Past Purchases (CLOSED)

[AnthonyAthletic]

My condolences.

[Antoine Marchand]

Yes, if you prefer the extrovert, exuberant Scarlatti. But I find this picture of Scarlatti one-eyed.

Well, that's your opinion, Premont, not mine.

I was not comparing to Pieter Jan Belder to other performers, but speaking about Belder v/s Belder. In that way, I have enjoyed those CDs devoted to Soler so much as I enjoyed, for example, his excellent playing in the Italian Concerto.   

Actually, I dislike the exuberant and almost brutal Scarlatti played by Hantai, for instance.

[SonicMan46]

Actually, I dislike the exuberant and almost brutal Scarlatti played by Hantai, for instance.

Antoine - like your comment above; for years, I've been trying to 'pick' a Scarlatti performance on harpsichord and finally decided and purchased the 3 CDs of Hantai in this repertoire, of course based on recommendations on this forum & also on reading a number of reviews; in general, I do enjoy Hantai, but would agree that less exuberance (don't want to say 'brutal') would be more pleasing for me (but to each his own, I guess) - Dave 

[Coopmv]

Antoine - like your comment above; for years, I've been trying to 'pick' a Scarlatti performance on harpsichord and finally decided and purchased the 3 CDs of Hantai in this repertoire, of course based on recommendations on this forum & also on reading a number of reviews; in general, I do enjoy Hantai, but would agree that less exuberance (don't want to say 'brutal') would be more pleasing for me (but to each his own, I guess) - Dave 

My Scarlatti performances on harpsichord are between Igor Kipnis and Colin Tilney.  I do have quite a number of Scarlatti recordings on piano. 

[Wanderer]

Looks like MDT could be in some trouble when a buyer strike from the US happens.

Rest assured, between Harry and the rest of us European forumites, there would hardly be any dip in sales to notice. 

[Harry]

Crunch time for me at jpc today!

Shopping at jpc is actually a (self-)tormenting experience. All those goodies... 
I always try to stay on the path of the righteous and stick to what is of immediate interest, but temptations, temptations....

 









Q

All in my collection, save for the last three. Awesome choice Que!

[Que]

BTW, Pieter Jan Belder has begun in great form his recordings devoted to Soler. IMO his style is more suitable for Soler than Scarlatti.

I'm very much looking forward to it!
I passed over his Scarlatti series, but the Soler sounded on sampling very attractive.

All in my collection, save for the last three. Awesome choice Que!

Thanks!

Lots from the Classical period... 0:) The Great Gurnerator will be pleased.

Q

[The new erato]

I totally agree, Que. They have so many marvelous discs and "special offers".

My only disappointing experience with them was the last weekend, when the Telemann's Tafelmusik by Musica Antiqua Köln (4 CDs) was on sale for around EU 15.

Such a price can only mean that they will soon appear om Brilliant even cheaper.....

[Haffner]

My condolences.

Not a fan of Greenberg?

[RussellG]

Just went mad in the pre-loved store:

[jlaurson]

Not a fan of Greenberg?

You're kidding, right? I mean... is there anyone (not earning money with it) who bothers to pretend that this is above 4th class drivel?

If my kid wrote that music, I'd be beaming with pride. Heck, if _I_ wrote that, I'd be beaming with pride, too. But hopefully I would also have the good sense not to force it upon any innocent listener since it's not professional-grade classical music by a long stretch. Howard Zimmer would be a step up.

Quote from Jose Serebrier who conducted his 5th Symphony with the LSO: "What jumps out at once is the coherent form of each movement---the logic behind every choice the composer makes'
Juilliard Professor Samiel Zyman "A prodigy of the level of the greatest prodigies in history when it comes to composition. I am talking about the likes of Mozart, Mendelssohn and Saint-Saens."
Does the Juilliard Quartet customarily perform music of obvious third-raters?
Or are they all to be ignored; as they presumably have a vested interest in making money out of Greenberg? Or there again, are they pretending?
Is it suggested his family bankrolls its way into the arms of the above folk?
Lots of questions really
Mike

Good questions. To some the answer might be a plain "Yes". Mostly, I think people are caught up in the fact that such a young person writes such relatively high quality music in such an unlikely field---to the point where they are blinded to consider the absolute quality of the music.

Combined with a media thirsting for the next Wunderkind story... publicity for schools... ticket and CD sales you get the fad of Jay Greenberg...

[knight66]

You're kidding, right? I mean... is there anyone (not earning money with it) who bothers to pretend that this is above 4th class drivel?

If my kid wrote that music, I'd be beaming with pride. Heck, if _I_ wrote that, I'd be beaming with pride, too. But hopefully I would also have the good sense not to force it upon any innocent listener since it's not professional-grade classical music by a long stretch. Howard Zimmer would be a step up.

Quote from Jose Serebrier who conducted his 5th Symphony with the LSO: "What jumps out at once is the coherent form of each movement---the logic behind every choice the composer makes'

Juilliard Professor Samiel Zyman "A prodigy of the level of the greatest prodigies in history when it comes to composition. I am talking about the likes of Mozart, Mendelssohn and Saint-Saens."

Does the Juilliard Quartet customarily perform music of obvious third-raters?

Or are they all to be ignored; as they presumably have a vested interest in making money out of Greenberg? Or there again, are they pretending?

Is it suggested his family bankrolls its way into the arms of the above folk?

Lots of questions really

Mike

[Coopmv]

Not a fan of Greenberg?

Who is he anyway? 

[DavidRoss]

Just went mad in the pre-loved store:

Dohnanyi's Dvorak 8th is the one I usually reach for as an alternative to Szell or Kertész.  His 7th is pretty good, too.  And it's lovely to see your interest in Sibelius.  FYI, new sets of the complete cycle in good recorded performances by Berglund, Maazel, Blomstedt, and Bernstein are available new in the $20 to $30 range and for even less in the used market.  

[DavidRoss]

Who is he anyway? 

http://www.jaygreenbergmusic.com/

[prémont]

Well, that's your opinion, Premont, not mine.

I was not comparing to Pieter Jan Belder to other performers, but speaking about Belder v/s Belder. In that way, I have enjoyed those CDs devoted to Soler so much as I enjoyed, for example, his excellent playing in the Italian Concerto.   

Actually, I dislike the exuberant and almost brutal Scarlatti played by Hantai, for instance.

I did not make myself clear.

Scarlattis Sonatas are extremely different as to character and ask for very different approaches. Often they  are all played over-exuberant, like Hantaï, and this style suits only a few of them. Many of the Sonatas are introvert and reflective, and here I find Belder almost unsurpassed. In between we have Scott Ross, who sometimes IMO is a bit superficial, but generally succeeds in the majority of the extrovert Sonatas, not pulling them too hard, but even here I find Belders style more telling.

Soler is not quite in the Scarlatti league, I think, but my point was, that I think both Scarlatti and Soler are best served by a performance style, which is considered, substantial, and not too "easy-going", read e.g. Belder´s style.

[RussellG]

Dohnanyi's Dvorak 8th is the one I usually reach for as an alternative to Szell or Kertész.  His 7th is pretty good, too.  And it's lovely to see your interest in Sibelius.  FYI, new sets of the complete cycle in good recorded performances by Berglund, Maazel, Blomstedt, and Bernstein are available new in the $20 to $30 range and for even less in the used market.  

I was impressed by Dohnanyi's Dvorak 7th so I grabbed the 8th when I saw it today.  I've just listened to it and now I want his 9th as well (the old Decca CD of that was also in the used bin but my arms were too full  ).  I have the famous Kertész 9th and want to pick up his 7 & 8 as well. Then I can start on Dvorak's earlier symphonies 

Sibelius sits just marginally below Mahler for me at the very top of the tree.  I can't get enough of him.  Davis/Boston and the Ashkenazy cycle are really doing it for me at the moment.  Thanks for the other recommendations.

[Bogey]

I think it is safe to grab any Dohnányi/Cleveland Orchestra tandem disc.  It may not be the No. 1 choice, but I would be flat out surprised if it was not well done.

[Antoine Marchand]

Such a price can only mean that they will soon appear om Brilliant even cheaper.....

God willing, Erato!

[Antoine Marchand]

I did not make myself clear.

Scarlattis Sonatas are extremely different as to character and ask for very different approaches. Often they  are all played over-exuberant, like Hantaï, and this style suits only a few of them. Many of the Sonatas are introvert and reflective, and here I find Belder almost unsurpassed. In between we have Scott Ross, who sometimes IMO is a bit superficial, but generally succeeds in the majority of the extrovert Sonatas, not pulling them too hard, but even here I find Belders style more telling.

Soler is not quite in the Scarlatti league, I think, but my point was, that I think both Scarlatti and Soler are best served by a performance style, which is considered, substantial, and not too "easy-going", read e.g. Belder´s style.

My own point of view is rather similar.

As Dave recalled many people enjoy and recommend the Hantaï's discs devoted to Scarlatti.

Actually, several slow sonatas are excellent. But the problem appears in the fast pieces. IMO all in them is speed, "virtuosism" and certain programmatic ideas about the Spanish character of those pieces (with the harpsichord sometimes used and sounding like a possessed Spanish guitar).

That's not certainly the case with Pieter-Jan Belder.

But, for some reason, he seemed to me even more comfortable -at home- with Soler, probably because of the own nature and less moody character of the music. In brief, I am waiting for the next Soler played by Belder.

He's da man!