Classical music or art music?

[The Six]

Farts can also be silent and deadly, autant de bo gosses au metre?

[Franco]

Cage & Feldman major composers  major bores maybe...

... for my tastes, ...

Perfectly reasonable, as long as you don't leap to the assumption that your tastes are definitive for anyone other than yourself.

[karlhenning]

Carter? complex sure, but not that communicative.

More communicative than some who post here, easily.

[The Six]

Babbit wrote that pointilistic music, which is always good. Plus, you can say "Hey Babbit!" when talking about him.

[Superhorn]

  I'm bothered by the characterization of classical music as"elite music", while calling others "popular" or folk.  The term elitist is loaded with baggage. And it gives the impression that classical music is stuffy,and boring,and that the only other musics are worth listening to.
  Classical music isn't really elitist at all. Any one can enjoy it,if he or she just gives it a chance. But unfortunately ,words like"elitism" applied to classical music close people's minds. What a pity.

[Guido]

More communicative than some who post here, easily.

[karlhenning]

You won't get anything from it to help your musicianship, and it's not that great or fun to listen to as music either.

You're spouting more nonsense even than usual, James.

[Guido]

Of course, but everyone I know and have known who really love music either as a player-musician (who get results) and-or listener, and who's value-judgements I hold dear agrees with that assessment. We're all on the same page, and in some cases even before we've come into contact with each other. You won't get anything from it to help your musicianship, and it's not that great or fun to listen to as music either.

Carter is a lot more meaty obviously, and he's did some more substantial stuff to be sure (and I even like a little of it), but often with that, let's be honest - few listeners, even musicians really understand or enjoy it at all (my experience). The thing with music is you have to strike a balance really - you don't want to be too minimal, or banal - and you don't want to go to extremes either, where the music is so complicated where no one can really enjoy it except for maybe like 3 people in the world. So yea, stuff that most people can relate to, and behind that have interesting intricate music that musicians can dig into and enjoy doing. The greatest music has the best of both worlds, that perfect balance.

Oh dear.

[karlhenning]

Hard for me not to love "All Set."'

That's been on my "to listen to" list for decades.

[Josquin des Prez]

Cage, Feldman & Carter have written some of the most original & amazing music of the last century.

Just because it's original doesn't mean it's great.

[karlhenning]

Just because it's original doesn't mean it's great.

I agree entirely.

In the case of Cage, Feldman & Carter, though, the originality and greatness fit hand-in-glove.

Just because you (or James the Blinkered) sneer at it doesn't mean it's not great.

[Josquin des Prez]

  I'm bothered by the characterization of classical music as"elite music", while calling others "popular" or folk.  The term elitist is loaded with baggage. And it gives the impression that classical music is stuffy,and boring,and that the only other musics are worth listening to.
  Classical music isn't really elitist at all. Any one can enjoy it,if he or she just gives it a chance. But unfortunately ,words like"elitism" applied to classical music close people's minds. What a pity.

The only positive aspect to the collapse of our civilization is that i won't have to listen to this type of idiotic arguments ever again.

[Egebedieff]

The only positive aspect to the collapse of our civilization is that i won't have to listen to this type of idiotic arguments ever again.

No comment from me. I just wanted to preserve this gem in its little bumper sticker-shaped box, although certainly not because it is even slightly perceptive or witty.'

[karlhenning]

The only positive aspect to the collapse of our civilization is that i won't have to listen to this type of idiotic arguments ever again.

It's all about you, isn't it?

[bwv 1080]

the term Classical refers to a tradition and lineage wheras "art music" does not

[Franco]

of course it's not great music, it's not original either, it tries to masquerade as both...and it's not just us McScruffy that laugh at it, believe me..

say weren't you in ZZ Top at some point?  nice shirt & tie.

I'd be interested in hearing what classical music written after 1975 you consider great and original.

[Franco]

off the top, a few personal modern art music favorites after 1975...

gubaidulina's offertorium
donatoni's francoise variations
ligeti's piano etudes (& many others)
birtwistle's secret theatre
vinao's son entero

Thanks.  Aside from Ligeti and Birtwistle, the others are new to me.  I will check them out.

[Sorin Eushayson]

When I'm around my friends I refer to it as "Real Music" and "Legitimate Music," just to get a rise out of them!

[jochanaan]

Of course, but everyone I know and have known who really love music either as a player-musician (who get results) and-or listener, and who's value-judgements I hold dear agrees with that assessment...

That statement will only hold true until you actually meet me, or Karl, or Mark, or several of the others here.  And I'm not the only one I know personally who actually enjoys this stuff.

[DavidRoss]

Of course, but everyone I know and have known who really love [sic] music either as a player-musician (who get [sic] results) and-or [sic] listener, and who's [sic] value-judgements [sic] I hold dear agrees with that assessment. We're all on the same page....

Obviously, since those whose value judgments you hold dear are those who agree with you.  That you imagine this tautology provides independent support for your pronouncements is simply more evidence of abysmally shallow and sloppy thinking further illustrated by your appalling diction, syntax, and grammar.