Favorite Symphonies by a 2-Symphony Composer

Started by Grazioso, April 18, 2011, 02:30:11 PM

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What are your favorite symphonies by a two-symphony composer?

Balakirev
Bizet
Borodin
John Alden Carpenter
Gounod
Kalinnikov
Martucci
Alice Mary Smith
Svendsen
Walton
Weber
Weill
Lindblad
JPE Hartmann
Liszt
Volkmann
Goldmark
Guilmant
Paine
Elgar
German
Suk
Stenhammar
Schoenberg
Bortkiewicz
Meredith Wilson
Barber
Dutilleux
Denisov
Kernis
Rouse

The new erato

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on April 18, 2011, 03:16:23 PM
Are we going to have threads of this type up to numerical infinity?
At least up to 104.

Luke

#21
Can't wait till we get to favourite 9 symphony composer...

Edit - thinking about it, even making the list will cause some controversy!

Schubert (the numbering is all so messy - how do we count them?)
Mahler (do we count the 10th? Das Lied?)
Bruckner (what about the 0 and the 00th?)
Schnittke (similarly)
Beethoven (there are sketches for a tenth, if anyone is going to push the point)

Only Dvorak and Vaughan Williams are completely unambiguous here!

Florestan

Stenhammar composed three symphonies --- time to start the three-piece-poll, maybe?  ;D

My choices: Balakirev, Bizet, Borodin, Kalinnikov, Weber.

"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Luke

I voted Walton, Liszt, Elgar, Suk, Schoenberg, because they really do stand out from the crowd for me here. And it's nice to see Elgar winning a poll, too. Poju will be pleased. But it's an odd group of composers!

And yes I do rate the two Liszt pieces higher than many do. Unapologetic about that! Neither are unproblematic - they are pioneering works, both. That adventurous spirit is one of the things I love about them. They have a bravery and (particularly in the case of the Dante!) an unashamed vulgarity that moves me and impresses me, and both have the fundamental freshness and innocence, the true fire and the conviction and the delight in new and fabulous sonorities and harmonies that I only really find in the early romantics - in Berlioz and Liszt especially.


eyeresist

Quote from: Luke on April 19, 2011, 02:13:57 AM
Can't wait till we get to favourite 9 symphony composer...

Edit - thinking about it, even making the list will cause some controversy!

Schubert (the numbering is all so messy - how do we count them?)
Mahler (do we count the 10th? Das Lied?)
Bruckner (what about the 0 and the 00th?)

The Schubert 7 is so rarely performed, you can see why some people number the 'Great' as number 8. I have the Newbould arrangement of 7 as conducted by Marriner, and like it a lot. It should have greater exposure. (Marriner's set also includes a 10th, not so good.)

Mahler: I count the 10th but not Das Lied.

Bruckner: we can also muddy the waters by remembering that 9 is incomplete. (Or is it? ;) )

Sergeant Rock

Walton, Stenhammar, Barber, Elgar and Arnie.


Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Luke

Quote from: eyeresist on April 19, 2011, 02:35:13 AM
The Schubert 7 is so rarely performed, you can see why some people number the 'Great' as number 8. I have the Newbould arrangement of 7 as conducted by Marriner, and like it a lot. It should have greater exposure. (Marriner's set also includes a 10th, not so good.)

Yes, I have that box set. Mighty confusing, with all of those little fragments!

Quote from: eyeresist on April 19, 2011, 02:35:13 AMMahler: I count the 10th but not Das Lied.

But Mahler counted it!  ;)  ??? But then we might have a discussion about why he might have counted it (Curse of the Ninth and all that...)

Quote from: eyeresist on April 19, 2011, 02:35:13 AMBruckner: we can also muddy the waters by remembering that 9 is incomplete. (Or is it? ;) )

Exactly.

Sergeant Rock

#27
Quote from: Luke on April 19, 2011, 02:13:57 AM
Can't wait till we get to favourite 9 symphony composer...
Bruckner (what about the 0 and the 00th?)
Quote from: eyeresist on April 19, 2011, 02:35:13 AM
Bruckner: we can also muddy the waters by remembering that 9 is incomplete. (Or is it? ;) )

Bruckner will easily win this poll: Favorite Symphonies by a 10 and 3/4-Symphony Composer.


Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Maciek

Quote from: Grazioso on April 18, 2011, 02:30:11 PM
By request, sort of :) "Two" means "two completed by the composer," no reconstructions, half-finished works, etc. Chamber symphonies included. I tried to go with choices that are, iirc, available on disc. Please let me know of any corrections/omissions. I actually try to keep track of these minutiae regarding symphonies.

Up to 5 choices.

Ah, at last! (Come to think of it, it was no wait at all, actually. :D) Thank you very much. 8)

Florestan

"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Grazioso

Quote from: Il Conte Rodolfo on April 19, 2011, 02:19:41 AM
Stenhammar composed three symphonies --- time to start the three-piece-poll, maybe?  ;D

I thought he only completed two? And to answer an earlier question re: Wagner, he only finished one, hence his exclusion. Plus, he was a bad, bad man  ;D

The Alice Mary Smith works are not bad, btw. Unlike some smartasses, I'm a smartass who's actually listened to her music :) (Iirc, the notes for that disc don't mention or imply any third symphony, though I see wiki says three.)

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 19, 2011, 02:49:19 AM
Bruckner will easily win this poll: Favorite Symphonies by a 10 and 3/4-Symphony Composer.

Ah, but how do you count the revisions? "Favorite symphonies revised badly by Schalk. A poll."

There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact. --Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Grazioso

Quote from: Maciek on April 19, 2011, 04:38:46 AM
Ah, at last! (Come to think of it, it was no wait at all, actually. :D) Thank you very much. 8)

And people thought I was joking when I said "by request" :)
There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact. --Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Grazioso on April 19, 2011, 05:58:00 AM
The Alice Mary Smith works are not bad, btw. Unlike some smartasses, I'm a smartass who's actually listened to her music :)

How do you expect me to consider her underrated if I actually listen to her music?
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

wilhelm

My favourite is Josef Suk (1874-1935)

I've never heard  Symphony No. 1 in E major, Op. 14, but his  Symphony No. 2 in C minor, "Asrael", Op. 27 is one of the greatest.




Wanderer

Quote from: Luke on April 19, 2011, 02:33:13 AM
And yes I do rate the two Liszt pieces higher than many do. Unapologetic about that! Neither are unproblematic - they are pioneering works, both. That adventurous spirit is one of the things I love about them. They have a bravery and (particularly in the case of the Dante!) an unashamed vulgarity that moves me and impresses me, and both have the fundamental freshness and innocence, the true fire and the conviction and the delight in new and fabulous sonorities and harmonies that I only really find in the early romantics - in Berlioz and Liszt especially.

My feelings exactly.

Daverz

Quote from: emma on April 19, 2011, 06:15:49 AM
I've never heard  Symphony No. 1 in E major, Op. 14, but his  Symphony No. 2 in C minor, "Asrael", Op. 27 is one of the greatest.

I've always thought of Asrael as part of a cycle that included Ripening, Epilogue, and A Summer's Tale. 

The Symphony in E major is a nice work.  I have it coupled with Belohlavek's recent Ripening.

Jared

Quote from: Il Conte Rodolfo on April 19, 2011, 02:19:41 AM
Stenhammar composed three symphonies --- time to start the three-piece-poll, maybe?  ;D

My choices: Balakirev, Bizet, Borodin, Kalinnikov, Weber.

Borodin also wrote three symphonies...  :)

Scarpia

Quote from: Jared on April 19, 2011, 01:42:02 PM
Borodin also wrote three symphonies...  :)

Only self-completed ones count, according to the OP.   0:)

Jared

Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on April 19, 2011, 01:44:37 PM
Only self-completed ones count, according to the OP.   0:)

oh of course... he only wrote the first 2 movements to No 3, didn't he?

so then... would Schubert's Unfinished count as a finished symphony, though?

:D

Scarpia

Quote from: Jared on April 19, 2011, 01:51:23 PM
oh of course... he only wrote the first 2 movements to No 3, didn't he?

so then... would Schubert's Unfinished count as a finished symphony, though?

He was finished with it, although he did not finish it.  Interesting question.  Depends on what  your definition of "is" is, I guess.   :D