GMG’s Favourite Piano Concertos

[Wanderer]

After DavidW:

Schumann / Prokofiev 2 / Rach 3

Beethoven: Concerto No.4 in G major op.58 [3]
Mozart: Piano Concerto #20 in D Minor [1]
Mozart: Concerto No.21 in C, K.467 [1]
Prokofiev: Piano Concerto #2 [1]
Rachmaninov: Concerto № 3 in D minor, Op.30 [1]
Ravel: Concerto in D major (for the left hand) [3]
Schoenberg: Piano Concerto, Op. 42 [2]
Schumann: Piano Concerto [2]

Prokofiev's Second has already made the final list, see second post. You may also nominate one work that goes directly there.

[Wanderer]

This one is for the board.

OK, so you reserve your fast track vote. Revising the lists accordingly.

[Wanderer]

Revised list:

Beethoven: Concerto No.4 in G major op.58 [3]
Mozart: Piano Concerto #20 in D Minor [1]
Mozart: Concerto No.21 in C, K.467 [1]
Rachmaninov: Concerto № 3 in D minor, Op.30 [1]
Ravel: Concerto in G major [2]
Ravel: Concerto in D major (for the left hand) [3]
Schoenberg: Piano Concerto, Op. 42 [2]
Schumann: Piano Concerto in A minor,  op.54 [2]

[mc ukrneal]

After: Wanderer

+2: Beethoven
+1: Ravel (lefthand)
-1: Shoenberg Op42

Beethoven: Concerto No.4 in G major op.58 [5]
Mozart: Piano Concerto #20 in D Minor [1]
Mozart: Concerto No.21 in C, K.467 [1]
Rachmaninov: Concerto № 3 in D minor, Op.30 [1]
Ravel: Concerto in G major [2]
Ravel: Concerto in D major (for the left hand) [4]
Schoenberg: Piano Concerto, Op. 42 [1]
Schumann: Piano Concerto in A minor,  op.54 [2]

Don't understand the fast track vote. I think it defeats the purpose of doing this in the first place. I would have voted Prokofiev off the list and it would not have made the list (for now). If everyone can have a fast track, someone can pick a totally whacko work just to be perverse. At least the Prokofiev is a good, quality work (and not a whacko work - I would pick #3 over #2 too). Anyway, just my opinion.

[karlhenning]

. . . someone can pick a totally whacko work just to be perverse.

Yes, if there were whackos among us. That feature is an earnest of trust in the community.

[karlhenning]

Actually what I find perverse is someone voting against a recognized masterpiece like the Schoenberg and voting for, while an entertaining but ultimately inconsequential work, the Ravel LH Concerto.

The fellow pounds the table for Offenbach in his sig, for goodness' sake.  Here, as in his hate vote against the Bartók in the chamber thread, it's that kneejerk suppression of whichever item is least like Haydn ; )

[kishnevi]

after: MC Urkneal

Fast track:  Rachmaninov: Rhapsody on a theme of Paganini
New:  Gade: Symphony No. 5, Op. 25 +1
          De Falla:  Nights in the Gardens of Spain +2
[refer to rule 2 for all of the above]
Negative: Schoenberg.  Sorry, Karl, but I've not keen about much of Schoenberg.

That makes the list:
Beethoven: Concerto No.4 in G major op.58 [5]
De Falla:  Nights in the Gardens of Spain [2]
Gade: Symphony No. 5, Op. 25 [1]
Mozart: Piano Concerto #20 in D Minor [1]
Mozart: Concerto No.21 in C, K.467 [1]
Rachmaninov: Concerto № 3 in D minor, Op.30 [1]
Ravel: Concerto in G major [2]
Ravel: Concerto in D major (for the left hand) [4]
Schumann: Piano Concerto in A minor,  op.54 [2]

[DavidW]

By "keyboard" on #2... is it ok to nominate Bach's Concerto in D Minor, bwv 1052?  Stretching it a little bit would Brandenburg Concerto No. 5 in D major, bwv 1050 also be acceptable since it has a harpsichord has some amazing solo passages?

[kishnevi]

This seems to be the current "fast track" list, for everyone's reference:
Brahms Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-flat major, Op. 83
Medtner:  Piano Concerto No. ? in ?? Op. 50  [sorry don't have specifics handy beyond what was posted]
Prokofiev: Concerto № 2 in g minor, Op. 16
Rachmaninov: Rhapsody on a theme of Paganini
Stravinsky: Concerto for Piano and Wind Instruments

[Drasko]

after: Jeffrey Smith

fast-track: Ravel - Concerto in D major (for the left hand)

new: Mozart - Concerto No.24 in C minor, K.491 [2]
new: Mozart - Concerto No.23 in A Major, K.488 [1]
neg: Schonberg - Piano Concerto [-1]

Beethoven: Concerto No.4 in G major op.58 [5]
De Falla:  Nights in the Gardens of Spain [2]
Gade: Symphony No. 5, Op. 25 [1]
Mozart: Piano Concerto #20 in D Minor [1]
Mozart: Concerto No.21 in C, K.467 [1]
Mozart - Concerto No.23 in A Major, K.488 [1]
Mozart - Concerto No.24 in C minor, K.491 [2]
Rachmaninov: Concerto № 3 in D minor, Op.30 [1]
Ravel: Concerto in G major [2]
Schoenberg - Piano Concerto [-1]
Schumann: Piano Concerto in A minor,  op.54 [2]

per Wanderer's rules only at -5 votes pieces get voted off

[DavidW]

Well, well, well ...

Gade instead of Schoenberg.

I don't even know who Gade is!   Is he one of those guys that Harry listens to?

[Wanderer]

Don't understand the fast track vote.

It's supposed to "dispense" early of the obvious masterpieces (that will sooner or later make the final list) and the works we feel very strongly about (let's face it, this forum does have exquisite taste); also to give a chance to everybody to have a work they cherish make the final list.

Also...

That feature is an earnest of trust in the community.

[karlhenning]

Well, well, well ...

Gade instead of Schoenberg.

Oh, so now we're going into the RED in voting against Arnold.

Will the abuse never end for the poor man?

(* chortle *)

I don't even know who Gade is!   Is he one of those guys that Harry listens to?

(* double chortle *)

[DavidW]

It's supposed to "dispense" early of the obvious masterpieces (that will sooner or later make the final list) and the works we feel very strongly about (let's face it, this forum does have exquisite taste); also to give a chance to everybody to have a work they cherish make the final list.

Yeah I like that rule, it allows for both the group and the individual.

[Wanderer]

By "keyboard" on #2... is it ok to nominate Bach's Concerto in D Minor, bwv 1052?  Stretching it a little bit would Brandenburg Concerto No. 5 in D major, bwv 1050 also be acceptable since it has a harpsichord has some amazing solo passages?

The Bach BWV 1052 certainly qualifies; I'm inclined to say the same for the BWV 1050.

[Luke]

I have missed a meeting and have utterly no idea how this all works, but I would say

a) pace Leon, and seaking as the most enormous Ravel nut, I don't get this at all:

Actually what I find perverse is someone voting against a recognized masterpiece like the Schoenberg and voting for, while an entertaining but ultimately inconsequential work, the Ravel LH Concerto.  His PC in G is the more important work. 

I love love love the PC in G more than almost any other Concerto, but the LH Concerto is surely more important, more original and more consequential. The LH Concerto quite simly reaches places that no other piece does; a dark, frightening and hallucinatory work. Once I understand how this thread works I will hopefully be able to give it a big old vote from me, with the PC in G not far behind.

b) I want the Tippett PC on this list. I think it is one of the very rare post 1950 concerti to do something new, original, beautiful, relevant and finely worked. It is clearly part of the tradition, the 'grand line' of piano concerti, and yet it is contemporary and forward-looking and exploratory too. It's also utterly gorgeous.

[Luke]

also...someone needs to say Busoni 

[Wanderer]

This seems to be the current "fast track" list, for everyone's reference:

Everyone, the works that have already made it to the final list are listed in the second post, reserved for this reason. Please consult it before nominating new works for the votes. Also, anyone who has yet to nominate his fast track, hors concours work is welcome to do so.

[kishnevi]

per Wanderer's rules only at -5 votes pieces get voted off

Sorry, I forgot that little part (seem to be screwing up the rules rather much the last couple of days  )

I don't even know who Gade is!   Is he one of those guys that Harry listens to?

See my post in the listening thread. He's the sort of composer you have to find out about from GMG, which in his case is a darn shame.   Symphony 5 has a part for solo piano.  This is the set I have (from BIS), which I recommend highly, especially as Arkivmusic currently has it on sale for $29.99.

It includes the violin concerto, which is outstanding.

The weakest part of the set is a cantata/oratorio/something or other called "The Crusaders" which is performed by a completely different set of people, and ruined mostly by a tenor who seems to be singing out of his range.

And now after this short commercial interruption we return to our regularly scheduled thread...

[DavidW]

The Bach BWV 1052 certainly qualifies; I'm inclined to say the same for the BWV 1050.

Yes!!