Your favorite composer born in 1685

Started by Bulldog, December 08, 2011, 02:38:15 PM

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Which of these three composers born in 1685 is your favorite?

J.S. Bach
29 (78.4%)
Handel
6 (16.2%)
D. Scarlatti
2 (5.4%)

Total Members Voted: 35

Voting closed: December 13, 2011, 02:38:15 PM

Karl Henning

Quote from: Bulldog on December 08, 2011, 06:32:03 PM
Didn't Scarlatti write a bunch of vocal/choral works?  Anyways, his Stabat Mater has around 20 recordings on ArkivMusic.

Thank you for getting this 10-vv. Stabat Mater on my radar: it looks wonderful . . . wish-listed.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

bwv 1080

Elliott Carter

oh wait he's not that old

chasmaniac

Whilst voting for Bach, I cried bitter tears for Handel. Alas!
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Todd

Quote from: SonicMan46 on December 08, 2011, 06:55:26 PMScarlatti's keyboard sonatas[...]does one need ALL of them[...]wondering?



Yes.

To the point of the thread, of course Bach is the man.
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Karl Henning

I could see listening to all of them.

I don't need to just yet, though, myself.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

SonicMan46

Quote from: Todd on December 09, 2011, 07:01:29 AM


Yes.  RE: need to listen to all of DS's keyboard sonatas?


Well, Scott Ross's box of 34 CDs is $100 on the Amazon MP - hmmm a day & a half of continuous harpsichord?  :D


Karl Henning

Quote from: SonicMan46 on December 09, 2011, 07:29:55 AM
Well, Scott Ross's box of 34 CDs is $100 on the Amazon MP - hmmm a day & a half of continuous harpsichord?  :D

Some days, I feel I really could. (Especially mixing it up Scarlatti / Couperin / Frescobaldi.)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

mc ukrneal

It can be hard to compare Bach (and a few others) to other composers, because he just wrote so much! In this sense, Haydn and Mozart are better comparisons, since they both wrote so much more than Handel, for example.
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jlaurson

Quote from: mc ukrneal on December 09, 2011, 07:48:09 AM
It can be hard to compare Bach (and a few others) to other composers, because he just wrote so much! In this sense, Haydn and Mozart are better comparisons, since they both wrote so much more than Handel, for example.

a.) Bach was not a particularly productive baroque composer... and that's even considering that not everything of Bach survived.
b.) Are you sure that Handel wrote less? There's ___-loads of Handel out there... but unlike with Bach, not every fart* has been recorded in 174 different versions.


(I wouldn't mind smelling Bachian 'farts' every day, for the rest of my days, I should point out.)

bhodges


mc ukrneal

Quote from: jlaurson on December 09, 2011, 08:36:11 AM
a.) Bach was not a particularly productive baroque composer... and that's even considering that not everything of Bach survived.
b.) Are you sure that Handel wrote less? There's ___-loads of Handel out there... but unlike with Bach, not every fart* has been recorded in 174 different versions.


(I wouldn't mind smelling Bachian 'farts' every day, for the rest of my days, I should point out.)
I Was comparing the Brilliant editions that have come out: 160 discs for Bach. 40 for Handel. I have no idea if it is everything, but it seemed unlikely. How to count operas is always something of an issue too. Perhaps you are right and it is in part due to the massive number of recordings for some Bach.
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Todd

Quote from: SonicMan46 on December 09, 2011, 07:29:55 AMWell, Scott Ross's box of 34 CDs is $100 on the Amazon MP - hmmm a day & a half of continuous harpsichord?


I've listened to that set three times all the way through.  There are some gems in there beyond the few that do get regular recordings.  More than a few gems, actually. 
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

jlaurson

Quote from: mc ukrneal on December 09, 2011, 08:48:39 AM
I Was comparing the Brilliant editions that have come out: 160 discs for Bach. 40 for Handel. I have no idea if it is everything, but it seemed unlikely. How to count operas is always something of an issue too. Perhaps you are right and it is in part due to the massive number of recordings for some Bach.

The 40-disc Handel Edition (is it one of those colorful 40-CD cubes they did for a lot of composers?) can't possibly have all his works on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_George_Frideric_Handel

40+ operas, 25+ oratorios, 100 cantatas...

Karl Henning

Quote from: Todd on December 09, 2011, 09:17:34 AM
I've listened to that set [Scott Ross's Scarlatti box] three times all the way through.

Molto bene!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Bulldog on December 08, 2011, 06:03:27 PM
Do you most enjoy Scarlatti's keyboard sonatas?  What do you think of his vocal works?


I like 'em about as much as Bach's and Handel's... :)

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Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

TheGSMoeller

If this thread was narrowed down to only choral, I would say say D. Scarlatti for his Stabat Mater and Salve Regina...but as a whole I would say Bach.

Conor71

I have'nt heard any Scarlatti and only a little of Handel  so my vote goes to Bach - love his Instrumental and orchestral work with a passion and my favourite Composer too!  :D

jlaurson

Quote from: Conor71 on December 09, 2011, 11:25:46 AM
I have'nt heard any Scarlatti and only a little of Handel  so my vote goes to Bach - love his Instrumental and orchestral work with a passion and my favourite Composer too!  :D

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Quote from: jlaurson on December 09, 2011, 02:50:34 AM
Essential Domenico

There are so many Stabat Maters (Arkiv only shows 18 because many have been deleted)... and I haven't heard them all,

but my favorites are by some margin Alessandrini (naive/op111) and Van Nevel (accent)

Does one need all the keyboard sonatas? No, surely not. Not anyone who asks the question, at any rate.  ;)
But there are a couple essentials:

Pletnev / Virgin pf

Hantai 0 / naive harpsichord

Horowitz / Sony pf

Hantai 1 / Mirare harpsichord

Sudbin / BIS pf

Hantai 2 / Mirare harpsichord

Tharaud / Virgin pf

Hantai 3 / Mirare harpsichord

Pogorelich / DG pf

Ross / Erato harpsichord

Zhu Xiao-Mei / Mirare pf