English q

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karlhenning

Quote from: MishaK on April 05, 2011, 02:15:34 PM
"get" is perfectly acceptable in spoken English, and it's broader in meaning than simply "persuade"; e.g. "I can't get this piece of junk computer to work!"

Right; the arts of persuasion hardly apply to junk! ; )

Ten thumbs

Quote from: MishaK on April 05, 2011, 02:15:34 PM
"get" is perfectly acceptable in spoken English, and it's broader in meaning than simply "persuade"; e.g. "I can't get this piece of junk computer to work!"

Persuade was only a suggestion. Get is so broad in meaning as to be practically meaningless.
A day may be a destiny; for life
Lives in but little—but that little teems
With some one chance, the balance of all time:
A look—a word—and we are wholly changed.

Scarpia

Quote from: Ten thumbs on April 06, 2011, 01:09:39 PM
Persuade was only a suggestion. Get is so broad in meaning as to be practically meaningless.

You just don't get the meaning of the word get.  "I can't get him to drive more slowly" is similar but not identical to "I can't persuade him to drive more slowly"   The proper meaning of get is "obtain for myself" and "get him to drive more slowly" is more like "I can't force him to give in to my wishes and drive more slowly."  There is an implication of obtaining a concession, rather than persuading.

MishaK

Quote from: Ten thumbs on April 06, 2011, 01:09:39 PM
Persuade was only a suggestion. Get is so broad in meaning as to be practically meaningless.

Its meaning in context is perfectly clear. Get = obtain [a result].

Lethevich

Get is simply the more informal of the two words - it's a more natural choice for casual conversation.
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

Ten thumbs

I agree that 'get' is fine in conversation because any misunderstanding can be removed immediately.
The 'it' in "I don't get it" can be clarified if necessary.

So "I can't get this piece of junk computer to work!" isn't confused with the message that your car has broken down.
A day may be a destiny; for life
Lives in but little—but that little teems
With some one chance, the balance of all time:
A look—a word—and we are wholly changed.

Lethevich

Is preferable pronounced:

pref-rable
prefer-able
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

CD

I mostly hear "pref-rable"

but weirdly I always hear "preferably" pronounced "préfer-ably"

rhomboid

In

threshold

is the h mute?


karlhenning

Quote from: romboid on June 01, 2011, 05:11:24 AM
In

threshold

is the h mute?

You hear it both ways (both ways are considered correct).

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 01, 2011, 05:15:38 AM
You hear it both ways (both ways are considered correct).

I don't know, Karl, I think tress-hold sounds rather silly. Just sayin'...   :)

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rhomboid

#91
Could you help me with the grammar in this question?:

Is it possible Earth to be an experiment of ETs?
Is it possible for Earth be an experiment of ETs?
Is it possible that Earth be an experiment of ETs?
Is it possible that Earth is an experiment of ETs?

chasmaniac

Yes, it is possible that earth is an extraterrestrial experiment.
If I have exhausted the justifications, I have reached bedrock and my spade is turned. Then I am inclined to say: "This is simply what I do."  --Wittgenstein, PI §217

Karl Henning

Possible, but unlikely.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

rhomboid

Quote from: karlhenning on December 23, 2011, 09:27:03 AM
Possible, but unlikely.

Which is the correct grammar? Thanks.

:D

Karl Henning

Quote from: romboid on December 23, 2011, 09:27:55 AM
Which is the correct grammar? Thanks.

:D

Quote from: chasmaniac on December 23, 2011, 09:16:52 AM
Yes, it is possible that earth is an extraterrestrial experiment.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

rhomboid

Ok, then this is the correct question:

Is it possible that Earth is an experiment of ETs?

I thought the correct was "be".

Karl Henning

Quote from: romboid on December 23, 2011, 09:44:56 AM
Ok, then this is the correct question:

Is it possible that Earth is an experiment of ETs?

That is correct; the subjunctive mood is very rare in English.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

PaulSC

How do we know that this question isn't part of the experiment?
Musik ist ein unerschöpfliches Meer. — Joseph Riepel

chasmaniac

#99
I'm concerned about the genitive noun "ETs". It's inelegant and its point better expressed by an adjective. If you must have a noun there, try this form:

Is it possible that earth is an experiment conducted by extraterrestrials?
If I have exhausted the justifications, I have reached bedrock and my spade is turned. Then I am inclined to say: "This is simply what I do."  --Wittgenstein, PI §217