Favorite Classical Nationality Poll

Started by Mirror Image, February 09, 2012, 06:04:27 PM

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What classical nationality do you love the most? You can choose up to three nationalities.

German/Austrian
44 (57.9%)
Russian
31 (40.8%)
Italian
10 (13.2%)
French
21 (27.6%)
Spanish/Latin American
2 (2.6%)
British
14 (18.4%)
East European (includes Hungarian, Czech, Polish, Romanian)
15 (19.7%)
American
6 (7.9%)
Scandinavian
13 (17.1%)
Other
1 (1.3%)

Total Members Voted: 76

Voting closed: December 05, 2012, 06:04:27 PM

starrynight

There is still some Western classical music in Asia of course.

marvinbrown

Quote from: DavidW on February 10, 2012, 10:20:13 AM
I agree with you Marvin, but looked up the formal definition of classical to see where the truth lies:

So as Gurn says it must stem from the European tradition of music that is different from folk, pop and jazz.

  Thanks for posting this definition David. I will have to reassess my understanding of the term "Classical Music". I just assumed that it was all encompassing.

  During the past couple of years I have been trying to branch out, take risks expose myself to the music of different cultures. It stems from a nagging fear that maybe I am missing something unique, worthwhile and I don't want to die before hearing it.

  Oh well I have always believed that an educated mind, while never immune to favoritism should be an open mind.

  marvin

DavidW

That's a great attitude to have Marvin! :)  I would like to see other cultures represented more on this forum.  But I'm not adventurous enough to be the one to do it! :D

Mirror Image

#43
I didn't include Asian and Indian classical music because when I talk about classical music, I'm talking about the Western tradition, which classical music derived from Europe. Latin America, Canada, United States, and Australia have all adopted their own brand of classical music as have many other countries outside of Europe, but it was built from the European model.  Bare in mind, I did include an "other" option, so if somebody feels so strongly about this, that option is there for a reason. 8)

Szykneij

I voted "French", but just about everything else on the list is a close second.
Men profess to be lovers of music, but for the most part they give no evidence in their opinions and lives that they have heard it.  ~ Henry David Thoreau

Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines. ~ Satchel Paige

starrynight

It's still regionalism and not nationalism.  And Western classical has been done everywhere, Toru Takemitsu is a famous example.

Opus106

Quote from: marvinbrown on February 10, 2012, 02:26:22 PM
take risks expose myself to the music of different cultures.


Taking risks? Are you sure you're not talking about fighting in the trenches? ;D ;)
Regards,
Navneeth

marvinbrown

Quote from: Opus106 on February 10, 2012, 11:02:23 PM

Taking risks? Are you sure you're not talking about fighting in the trenches? ;D ;)

:) lol, for the record, I am peaceful man, until someone insults Wagner's music then it's all out war  ;D!


  But seriously, I meant experimenting with music and exposing myself to music that is foreign to me, that takes courage by the way.

  marvin

Christo

I find the category 'East European' misleading, as it evidently refers to Central Europe.
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

Archaic Torso of Apollo

Quote from: Christo on February 10, 2012, 11:56:48 PM
I find the category 'East European' misleading, as it evidently refers to Central Europe.

Since there is no generally accepted definition for either, it was bound to cause a problem.
formerly VELIMIR (before that, Spitvalve)

"Who knows not strict counterpoint, lives and dies an ignoramus" - CPE Bach

Mirror Image

Quote from: Christo on February 10, 2012, 11:56:48 PM
I find the category 'East European' misleading, as it evidently refers to Central Europe.

Confusing on the surface, but read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe

oyasumi

Quote from: marvinbrown on February 10, 2012, 11:36:36 PM
  But seriously, I meant experimenting with music and exposing myself to music that is foreign to me, that takes courage by the way.

It was very brave of you to search Youtube for that foreign music.

Sergeant Rock

#52
German/Austrian: Mahler, Bruckner, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Schumann, Rott, Korngold, Hindemith, Schmidt, Schoenberg

British: Vaughan Williams, Havergal Brian, Elgar, Simpson, Rubbra, Arnold, Lloyd, Warlock

Scandinavian (includes Finland in this case): Sibelius, Nielsen, Pettersson, Grieg, Stenhammar, Atterberg, Rautavaara

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

starrynight

Quote from: oyasumi on February 11, 2012, 07:03:07 AM
It was very brave of you to search Youtube for that foreign music.

haha, I'm a super brave person then.


J.Z. Herrenberg

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on Today at 17:10:21>German/Austrian: Mahler, Bruckner, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Schumann, Rott, Korngold, Hindemith, Schmidt, Schoenberg

British: Vaughan Williams, Havergal Brian, Elgar, Simpson, Rubbra, Arnold, Lloyd, Warlock

Scandinavian (includes Finland in this case): Sibelius, Nielsen, Pettersson, Grieg, Stenhammar, Atterberg, Rautavaara

Sarge



Nationalities: similar. Composers: almost similar.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Conor71

My vote is for German/Austrian, Russian and Scandinavian :)

eyeresist

Quote from: marvinbrown on February 10, 2012, 09:54:41 AM
  The West is allowed to have it's own culture But classical music is Art Music by definition. It disturbs me that others believe the west has a monopoly on this art form.......clearly art music exists in other cultures, I have heard it the songs of Um Kalthoum for example.

"Art music" is not really a useful term for classification, because you'll never get agreement on what it is, and what is or is not included in it.

"Classical music" as is generally understood is a tradition developed and elaborated from European developments into a form capable of great complexity and aesthetic range. It's also pretty damn awesome.

madaboutmahler

Nice poll, John.

Ended up voting for:
German/Austrian
Russian
British

Was sad to have to miss out French though.
"Music is ... A higher revelation than all Wisdom & Philosophy"
— Ludwig van Beethoven

Mirror Image

Looking back on my choices: Russian, French, and East European I would choose them again right now. Most of my favorite composers hail from these countries.