The Prog Rock, Art Rock and Electronic Music Thread

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There is many a joke at a composer's expense which has you rolling your eyes a bit at the speaker.

But one which remains evergreen is:

Great quote, Karl!

[milk]

No seriously, I mean a deeper musical perspective regarding electronic music (a subject of this thread), and how his pioneering work in the field set the stage not just for computerized art music but also for the sampling techniques central to much of today's pop, rock, hip-hop and electronica. .. in light of this, on a creative scale KS is one of it's most crucial & accomplished exponents, and I don't see a problem with bringing him up here in a serious discussion. Anyone interested in the field knows his crucial early works at least, the ones that brought electronic music into maturity .. Gesang der Jünglinge, Kontakte, Telemusik, Hymnen .. I strongly recommend these to anyone serious about Electronic Music, it will shed a lot of light on things and also keep inquiring ears/minds preoccupied for quite a while.

Maybe I'm being unfair though. The question of the intersection between "classical" and popular music is interesting. Baba O'Riley is a reference to Terry Riley (and Meher Baba)? And Prog rock did take classical seriously until it went too far. However, I think hip hop has much more to do with James Brown that Stockhausen. I don't know about the history of sampling. I suspect it's complicated.

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I don't know. It doesn't really seem to go with the intention of this thread.

Nothing James says actually goes with the thread's subject at hand. He just continues to spout off about Stockhausen and how great and influential he was, but the reality is nobody here cares what he thinks about anything. There I said it, but it needed to be said.

Now, if you excuse me, I have just stepped in some Stockhausen and I need to go scrape it off my shoes.

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This song rocks (it's art; it's prog!):
https://www.youtube.com/v/QhDewwSoks4

That is a cool song. I have that Faust album somewhere. I need to revisit it.

[milk]

It's a matter of musical know-how and history, most folks here don't seem to have that .. so to them it seems out of place when it is not .. KS is so crucial & important to the medium .. read up on it, you'll see. Better yet .. do some listening.

Yes I've seen where this leads in forums. If people disagree it's not because it's possible to have a different opinion but only because they simply don't know as much. If they know what you know, they will come to have your opinion. If they don't have your opinion, it's because they don't know. I don't see how this can lead to anything pleasant or even edifying.

[milk]

That is a cool song. I have that Faust album somewhere. I need to revisit it.

I've always loved this stuff. I like it more than Can but I tend to like quirky stuff (I like Barrett more than post-Barrett Floyd and Eno more than Floyd as well). But Can is pretty cool too. I'd like to know more about the bios of these "Kraut-rock" dudes. 

[Karl Henning]

Yes I've seen where this leads in forums. If people disagree it's not because it's possible to have a different opinion but only because they simply don't know as much.

Ah, I see you've met James.

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Yes I've seen where this leads in forums. If people disagree it's not because it's possible to have a different opinion but only because they simply don't know as much. If they know what you know, they will come to have your opinion. If they don't have your opinion, it's because they don't know. I don't see how this can lead to anything pleasant or even edifying.

I'm pretty familiar with the history of electronic music and while I wouldn't condone mentioning Stockhausen, my problem is this thread is for progressive music and not a discussion about Stockhausen who was a composer and belongs clearly in the classical genre. Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Ash Ra Tempel, etc. are certainly welcomed here because they were within the genre of progressive rock. Stockhausen wasn't, so keeping in the spirit of thread, he needs to be left out of it. That's my two cents anyway.

[milk]

I'm pretty familiar with the history of electronic music and while I wouldn't condone mentioning Stockhausen, my problem is this thread is for progressive music and not a discussion about Stockhausen who was a composer and belongs clearly in the classical genre. Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Ash Ra Tempel, etc. are certainly welcomed here because they were within the genre of progressive rock. Stockhausen wasn't, so keeping in the spirit of thread, he needs to be left out of it. That's my two cents anyway.

Yeah, that was what I thought too. Maybe it'd work better if there was some more specific connection being made. I mean I think we can talk about Yes or King Crimson and some influences of classical music maybe on them. Or something like that. Eno talks about Cage and Reich specifically. But just tooting the horn of some composer here seems like a non sequitur.

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Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Ash Ra Tempel, etc. are certainly welcomed here because they were within the genre of progressive rock.

Well, I'm a fan of Tangerine Dream since 2008. To me it seems not many members here are into TD. I think people don't realise how BIG Tangerine Dream is. 45 years, hundreds of releases, pioneering work of samplers and sequencers. I had no clue about how huge Tangerine Dream is before 2008. They have their very fanatic fans, but other people hardly even know them. 

Tangerine Dream is ending their 'Eastgate Years' phase and starting a new era 'Quantum Years'. Being a TF fan is pretty crazy (being a fanatic fan is complete lunacy) because they release so much stuff. Just in July I bought 5 new TD releases and there's already a new release, a 3 CD live concert set! 

Tangerine Dream's music has become very important for me as it helps me find "peace of mind". It takes me to dreamy places.

[milk]

Well, I'm a fan of Tangerine Dream since 2008. To me it seems not many members here are into TD. I think people don't realise how BIG Tangerine Dream is. 45 years, hundreds of releases, pioneering work of samplers and sequencers. I had no clue about how huge Tangerine Dream is before 2008. They have their very fanatic fans, but other people hardly even know them. 

Tangerine Dream is ending their 'Eastgate Years' phase and starting a new era 'Quantum Years'. Being a TF fan is pretty crazy (being a fanatic fan is complete lunacy) because they release so much stuff. Just in July I bought 5 new TD releases and there's already a new release, a 3 CD live concert set! 

Tangerine Dream's music has become very important for me as it helps me find "peace of mind". It takes me to dreamy places.

That's a pretty convincing recommendation. I'll have to give them a go. I've avoided them for no particular reason.

[snyprrr]

It's a matter of musical know-how and history, most folks here don't seem to have that .. so to them it seems out of place when it is not .. KS is so crucial & important to the medium .. read up on it, you'll see. Better yet .. do some listening.

Do you need to be held? 0:) There, there- don't let the cool kids getcha down! Like my mom used to say, "That's more Stockhausen for ME!"

[Karl Henning]

Well played, snypsss.

[TheGSMoeller]

Thanks for the recommendations.

I'll start with something light  ....

https://www.youtube.com/v/RhHkUg-QCwk


...and something from his Ambient works, a piece to listen to while relaxing, meditating, chilling, reflecting...

https://www.youtube.com/v/ZVvjXJentik

[milk]

I'll start with something light  ....

https://www.youtube.com/v/RhHkUg-QCwk


...and something from his Ambient works, a piece to listen to while relaxing, meditating, chilling, reflecting...

https://www.youtube.com/v/ZVvjXJentik

I like this stuff - and the Richard James album as well.

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Yeah, that was what I thought too. Maybe it'd work better if there was some more specific connection being made. I mean I think we can talk about Yes or King Crimson and some influences of classical music maybe on them. Or something like that. Eno talks about Cage and Reich specifically. But just tooting the horn of some composer here seems like a non sequitur.

But The Great One (aka James) must always bring Stockhausen into a conversation no matter what the thread topic is actually about. I think he needs to get his head out of the sand and go listen to some Gentle Giant.

[milk]

But The Great One (aka James) must always bring Stockhausen into a conversation no matter what the thread topic is actually about. I think he needs to get his head out of the sand and go listen to some Gentle Giant.

What does it say about someone who needs to do that? I have my ideas. But I've probably said enough.
I've never heard Gentle Giant. Heavy prog I take it!

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What does it say about someone who needs to do that? I have my ideas. But I've probably said enough.
I've never heard Gentle Giant. Heavy prog I take it!

Wow, you've never heard Gentle Giant? Oh boy...well if you're interested, I dedicated a thread to their music here:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,22212.msg740223.html#msg740223

[milk]

Wow, you've never heard Gentle Giant? Oh boy...well if you're interested, I dedicated a thread to their music here:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,22212.msg740223.html#msg740223

Another one on my list!

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Another one on my list!

I highly recommend Three Friends, Octopus, and Free Hand.