The Dating Thread

[Moonfish]

I believe he is Hillary's speech writer.

I thought you were her speech writer...!   

[Henk]

So, um... not sure if you could be any more vague with those last two posts if you tried, Henk. 

I saved the world, Greg, and more than that.

[Sergeant Rock]

I saved the world

Was there a cheerleader involved? 

[Henk]

Yes, Bar Refaeli, perhaps the world's most beautiful and greatest girl.



She with her boyfriend, from her FB page.

[ibanezmonster]

So this was highly interesting:
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a7290/survey-of-american-women-0510/

46. In terms of facial hair, which do you prefer?
Clean shaven 47%

Stubble 45%

Full beard 8%

So... might be a good idea to not grow it back. 

There's just one huge problem, and that is the fact that over the last few years, I never noticed all of the fat I gained under my chin, so I'm going to have to get that liposuctioned sometime. Maybe this summer. It looks terrible... this, despite having little fat anywhere else, it all just goes there somehow. But once I do get that fixed, I'll look at least as good as I did with my goatee and also younger. The way I age, I'll probably look 30 when I'm 40, if shaved.

17. The best-looking man in America is:
Johnny Depp 29%

George Clooney 28%

Jon Hamm 21%

Brad Pitt 12%

Robert Pattinson 4%

Barack Obama 3%

Zac Efron 3%

I never really understood the popularity of Johnny Depp with women. I do like him as an actor, but he strikes me more as a possible homeless guy than a possible model.

[Rinaldo]

There's just one huge problem, and that is the fact that over the last few years, I never noticed all of the fat I gained under my chin, so I'm going to have to get that liposuctioned sometime. Maybe this summer.

Please tell me you're joking. There's enough bizarreness in this thread already.

I never really understood the popularity of Johnny Depp with women. I do like him as an actor, but he strikes me more as a possible homeless guy than a possible model.

That should tell you all you need to know about how silly it is to obsess over women's perception of yourself. Just get rid of that goatee / go full lumberjack. I'd wager what that girl said simply meant it doesn't work for you. Being yourself and listening to friendly fashion advice isn't mutually exclusive.

[Mirror Image]

There's just one huge problem, and that is the fact that over the last few years, I never noticed all of the fat I gained under my chin, so I'm going to have to get that liposuctioned sometime. Maybe this summer. It looks terrible... this, despite having little fat anywhere else, it all just goes there somehow. But once I do get that fixed, I'll look at least as good as I did with my goatee and also younger. The way I age, I'll probably look 30 when I'm 40, if shaved.

I smell vanity, Greg. Are you really this vain? It seems like to me you lack a lot of self-confidence, which could be partly why you're turning women away. Again, I come back to the fact that just because someone tells you that you look better without the facial doesn't mean that you should actually shave it off. You've gotten nowhere with this woman because you don't want to get anywhere with her. Get some balls and ask her out already! Tell her how you feel. If you can't do this, then you really should stop coming to this thread, because I see no signs of someone who actually genuinely wants to be with someone. You can make all the excuses you want, you are your own worst enemy by not getting yourself together enough to ask women out.

[ibanezmonster]

Please tell me you're joking. There's enough bizarreness in this thread already.

That should tell you all you need to know about how silly it is to obsess over women's perception of yourself. Just get rid of that goatee / go full lumberjack. I'd wager what that girl said simply meant it doesn't work for you. Being yourself and listening to friendly fashion advice isn't mutually exclusive.

I forgot to mention that I've rather warmed up to my new clean-shaven (now slightly stubbly) appearance over the last week. And I don't personally like how the chin fat looks, so getting rid of it is kinda something I'd do for myself. So it's all good.

As for Johnny Depp, he does both the clean shaven look and the goatee, and reminds me of a homeless person either way. That's probably just me, though. 

I smell vanity, Greg. Are you really this vain? It seems like to me you lack a lot of self-confidence, which could be partly why you're turning women away. Again, I come back to the fact that just because someone tells you that you look better without the facial doesn't mean that you should actually shave it off. You've gotten nowhere with this woman because you don't want to get anywhere with her. Get some balls and ask her out already! Tell her how you feel. If you can't do this, then you really should stop coming to this thread, because I see no signs of someone who actually genuinely wants to be with someone. You can make all the excuses you want, you are your own worst enemy by not getting yourself together enough to ask women out.

I'm going to ask when I actually get a chance...

and yes, I am that vain. I like to look good. So what? 

[Mirror Image]

I'm going to ask when I actually get a chance...

Yeah, sure. You might as well record it because I'll believe when I actually see/hear it.

[Mirror Image]

and yes, I am that vain. I like to look good. So what? 

There's nothing wrong with wanting to look good, but when you begin to have self-doubt about the way you look instead of simply accepting it, then you have a problem.

[ibanezmonster]

There's nothing wrong with wanting to look good, but when you begin to have self-doubt about the way you look instead of simply accepting it, then you have a problem.

Well, this is the way I look at it. Anything you can do to help is a good thing. Imagine the confidence boost you would have if you tried talking to women looking like Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, etc. I mean, of course, you can manage to be as charming or confident as them, but your chances will still be lower if you don't quite look as appealing as they do.

[Mirror Image]

Well, this is the way I look at it. Anything you can do to help is a good thing. Imagine the confidence boost you would have if you tried talking to women looking like Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, etc. I mean, of course, you can manage to be as charming or confident as them, but your chances will still be lower if you don't quite look as appealing as they do.

You either have confidence or you don't. It's that simple. I've seen guys that look like they just got out of a dumpster with gorgeous women, so it's not always about 'looks' or at least to women anyway. Stop being so vain, Greg.

[Henk]

Well, this is the way I look at it. Anything you can do to help is a good thing. Imagine the confidence boost you would have if you tried talking to women looking like Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, etc. I mean, of course, you can manage to be as charming or confident as them, but your chances will still be lower if you don't quite look as appealing as they do.

Don't compare, Greg. It might be true, but it's not the right mindset. Show your own attitude towards girls. I hope you already do however.

Liposuction indeed can be good. But try not to think in terms of "chances". Just go for it. If you lose, you have learnt something.

You can be vain. Paint your eyebrowes or something. It might work.

[ibanezmonster]

Liposuction indeed can be good. But try not to think in terms of "chances". Just go for it. If you lose, you have learnt something.

True, probably better not to think that way. I'm just a calculating person when it comes to anything important.

I'd just do it because I hate looking at it, though I doubt it would be enough to actually hurt my "chances" with women in general. It could, though, if I eventually resorted to trying online dating again, because most women (even average-looking ones) on online dating sites are well known to only concern themselves with the top 10-20% best looking guys, simply because of the volume that they have to wade through. 

You can be vain. Paint your eyebrowes or something. It might work.

Pink?

[Henk]

Pink?

Yes.

[Ken B]

Please tell me you're joking. There's enough bizarreness in this thread already.

That should tell you all you need to know about how silly it is to obsess over women's perception of yourself. Just get rid of that goatee / go full lumberjack. I'd wager what that girl said simply meant it doesn't work for you. Being yourself and listening to friendly fashion advice isn't mutually exclusive.

Finally Rinaldo and I agree! 

[Rinaldo]

Finally Rinaldo and I agree! 

Not to mention we both like Jodie Foster!

your chances will still be lower if you don't quite look as appealing as they do

most women (even average-looking ones) on online dating sites are well known to only concern themselves with the top 10-20% best looking guys

#1
There are movies / photoshoots and then there's real life. Learn the difference.

#2
That's what I was trying to point out on your Johnny 'The Hobo' Depp example. 'Best looking' is inherently subjective. One woman's Pitt is another woman's Buscemi (and vice versa). I have zero experience with online dating but I'd guess what you really need is a nice, natural picture (a healthy smile goes a long way), not plastic surgery. Sure, if there's a body feature you HATE and want to GET RID OF, do it for your own happiness. But when it comes to looks, there's always someone who'll find you to be their type, however unlikely. Hell, my wife loves Brad Pitt and swoons over Clooney but she also had a life-long crush on Mark Lanegan and that's when me, this disheveled ginger weirdo who always attracted (and was attracted by) other weirdos, got tangled up with a woman who I'd never imagine would find me attractive.

It's not a beauty contest, man. It's not a contest at all.

[ibanezmonster]

Not to mention we both like Jodie Foster!

#1
There are movies / photoshoots and then there's real life. Learn the difference.

#2
That's what I was trying to point out on your Johnny 'The Hobo' Depp example. 'Best looking' is inherently subjective. One woman's Pitt is another woman's Buscemi (and vice versa). I have zero experience with online dating but I'd guess what you really need is a nice, natural picture (a healthy smile goes a long way), not plastic surgery. Sure, if there's a body feature you HATE and want to GET RID OF, do it for your own happiness. But when it comes to looks, there's always someone who'll find you to be their type, however unlikely. Hell, my wife loves Brad Pitt and swoons over Clooney but she also had a life-long crush on Mark Lanegan and that's when me, this disheveled ginger weirdo who always attracted (and was attracted by) other weirdos, got tangled up with a woman who I'd never imagine would find me attractive.

It's not a beauty contest, man. It's not a contest at all.

I suppose. It's no big deal. It's just like how I used to wear glasses and hated it and now wear contacts even though they are a bit more of a pain and more expensive. And I wouldn't want to grow the hair back solely for the sake of covering it...

So, more importantly, I thought of a better way to ask her out... Hopefully by tomorrow I get a chance...

[Henk]

Greg, let them just talk. You're a true man, Rinaldo and Ken aren't as they show. You know what's best for you.

Liposuction isn't a problem at all, when you wanted to do it on your stomach, it would be an issue (do you agree?), but under your chin it's an other thing. Be sure you do it by a good surgeon. So that one can't see that you have letting done it.

You can just tell girls you let have done liposuction, there's nothing to hide. It's rather cool than insecure.

Modern times, Rinaldo, Ken.

[Henk]

Not to mention we both like Jodie Foster!

#1
There are movies / photoshoots and then there's real life. Learn the difference.

#2
That's what I was trying to point out on your Johnny 'The Hobo' Depp example. 'Best looking' is inherently subjective. One woman's Pitt is another woman's Buscemi (and vice versa). I have zero experience with online dating but I'd guess what you really need is a nice, natural picture (a healthy smile goes a long way), not plastic surgery. Sure, if there's a body feature you HATE and want to GET RID OF, do it for your own happiness. But when it comes to looks, there's always someone who'll find you to be their type, however unlikely. Hell, my wife loves Brad Pitt and swoons over Clooney but she also had a life-long crush on Mark Lanegan and that's when me, this disheveled ginger weirdo who always attracted (and was attracted by) other weirdos, got tangled up with a woman who I'd never imagine would find me attractive.

It's not a beauty contest, man. It's not a contest at all.

Isn't that a problem for you?? I would go mad in a long relationship. Maybe you have chosen the wrong woman? She thought she couldn't get Pitt or Clooney, so she ended up with some poor guy.  

It's you, not Greg, who actually compares with film stars..

I consider my case better.

You can't simply generalize on this matter. It's a sign of insecurity.