Most bombastic composers of the 20th/21st century?

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#100
April 28, 2015, 09:15:57 PM
Quote from: mszczuj on April 28, 2015, 09:11:06 PM
You can't be quite sure, may be some day you start to listen to the 8th about 10 or 20 times in the row and discover how magnificent and deep masterpiece it is and that it could be compared only with the 6th, the 7th, the 9th and Das Lied von der Erde?

I certainly don't want to close that door. If someday it does click with me, then I'll freely admit I was wrong in my judgement (as I have done many times before) and gladly except the raking over I'll probably receive from the Mahlerians here, but, until then, I just can't get onboard with the 8th.

jochanaan

#101
April 30, 2015, 10:33:05 AM
Again, De gustibus non disputandum est.  Mahler 8 seems to be one of those works that people either love instantly or, well, not.  I loved it from the very first--instantly and completely--and in fact it was my first exposure to Mahler (at age 18!).  Yet obviously, many others here have not had that experience.  And that's okay.  If we all felt the same way about all music, I would soon be bored with this board. ;)
Imagination + discipline = creativity

Karl Henning

#102
April 30, 2015, 10:33:42 AM
Quote from: jochanaan on April 30, 2015, 10:33:05 AM
Again, De gustibus non disputandum est.  Mahler 8 seems to be one of those works that people either love instantly or, well, not.  I loved it from the very first--instantly and completely--and in fact it was my first exposure to Mahler (at age 18!).  Yet obviously, many others here have not had that experience.  And that's okay.  If we all felt the same way about all music, I would soon be bored with this board. ;)

:)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B

#103
April 30, 2015, 01:01:30 PM
Quote from: jochanaan on April 30, 2015, 10:33:05 AM
Again, De gustibus non disputandum est.  Mahler 8 seems to be one of those works that people either love instantly or, well, not.  I loved it from the very first--instantly and completely--and in fact it was my first exposure to Mahler (at age 18!).  Yet obviously, many others here have not had that experience.  And that's okay.  If we all felt the same way about all music, I would soon be bored with this board. ;)

Well said!

Not that it will stop me from telling my friends about the guy who likes M8, and sharing in their mocking and pitying laughter.  :laugh:

johnshade

#104
May 06, 2015, 12:42:01 PM

The darling of our euphuistic music-lovers, Shostakovich.
The sun's a thief, and with her great attraction robs the vast sea, the moon's an arrant thief, and her pale fire she snatches from the sun  (Shakespeare)

Karl Henning

#105
May 06, 2015, 04:19:36 PM
Quote from: johnshade on May 06, 2015, 12:42:01 PM
The darling of our euphuistic music-lovers, Shostakovich.

http://www.youtube.com/v/5ENcQqhHCr0

. . . just the first example which sprang to mind.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#106
May 06, 2015, 04:22:06 PM
Quote from: johnshade on May 06, 2015, 12:42:01 PM
The darling of our euphuistic music-lovers, Shostakovich.

http://www.youtube.com/v/J-wPsZ8_b14
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#107
May 06, 2015, 04:25:12 PM
Quote from: johnshade on May 06, 2015, 12:42:01 PM
The darling of our euphuistic music-lovers, Shostakovich.

http://www.youtube.com/v/EvXbIAY6nPQ
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#108
May 06, 2015, 04:26:42 PM
Quote from: johnshade on May 06, 2015, 12:42:01 PM
The darling of our euphuistic music-lovers, Shostakovich.

http://www.youtube.com/v/KStjdclOpzI
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#109
May 06, 2015, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: johnshade on May 06, 2015, 12:42:01 PM
The darling of our euphuistic music-lovers, Shostakovich.

http://www.youtube.com/v/RCOMyaMXdIs
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#110
May 06, 2015, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: johnshade on May 06, 2015, 12:42:01 PM
The darling of our euphuistic music-lovers, Shostakovich.

http://www.youtube.com/v/1pCigbK6rcQ
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#111
May 06, 2015, 04:32:00 PM
Quote from: johnshade on May 06, 2015, 12:42:01 PM
The darling of our euphuistic music-lovers, Shostakovich.

http://www.youtube.com/v/YIbyrU5B4Z4
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#112
May 06, 2015, 04:33:06 PM
Quote from: johnshade on May 06, 2015, 12:42:01 PM
The darling of our euphuistic music-lovers, Shostakovich.

http://www.youtube.com/v/UtVaihhlXss
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#113
May 06, 2015, 04:35:47 PM
Quote from: johnshade on May 06, 2015, 12:42:01 PM
The darling of our euphuistic music-lovers, Shostakovich.

http://www.youtube.com/v/mBCk5SCidpw
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#114
May 06, 2015, 04:38:54 PM
Quote from: johnshade on May 06, 2015, 12:42:01 PM
The darling of our euphuistic music-lovers, Shostakovich.

http://www.youtube.com/v/NxMJqAi8XsM
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#115
May 06, 2015, 04:43:36 PM
Yup; pretty much uninterrupted bombast in the work of Дмитрий Дмитриевич.  I can see that  8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Todd

#116
May 06, 2015, 06:45:01 PM



A bit of Lou Harrison.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

johnshade

#117
May 07, 2015, 04:47:17 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 06, 2015, 04:43:36 PM
Yup; pretty much uninterrupted bombast in the work of Дмитрий Дмитриевич.  I can see that  8)
The exceptions make the rule. The rules are the symphonies I have heard in concert.

The sun's a thief, and with her great attraction robs the vast sea, the moon's an arrant thief, and her pale fire she snatches from the sun  (Shakespeare)

Karl Henning

#118
May 07, 2015, 04:52:13 AM
Quote from: johnshade on May 07, 2015, 04:47:17 AM
The exceptions make the rule. The rules are the symphonies I have heard in concert.

That was the point of my bringing forward 11 examples.  These are too numerous to be "exceptions."  Your narrow sampling doesn't make for "the rule."  You even narrow it (sensibly) to those you "heard in concert";  sensibly, because even better than half of the music in the symphonies does not qualify as "bombast."

So you're only partially paying attention, and for your own reasons are mysteriously paying attention only when things are noisy.  Niffs of user error to me  8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

North Star

#119
May 07, 2015, 05:34:00 AM
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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