Mozart a fraud?

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robnewman

#980
July 08, 2009, 07:59:10 AM
Quote from: Cato on July 08, 2009, 07:51:43 AM
Some time ago I provided an e-mail address for the "Le Nozze Is A Fraud"  file: hesse3000@totalmail.com

STILLLLLLLLL Waiting! You have not sent me any such book yet: I assume it is the one offered by a certain Anna Trombetta and Luca Bianchini?

And we are STILLLLLL waiting for the answers to the questions I posed yesterday!

We assume therefore that Mr. Newman will not answer the simple Yes/No question: e.g. "Have you compared original manuscripts with or without the help of a paleographer?"  "Will you provide a list of archivists/librarians who dealt with you as you researched the original manuscripts, and a list of the dates you visited these libraries and archives?"

And he will not answer because the answer is NO...which demolishes the basis for any kind of legitimate examination of the hypothesis.

Sending the Figaro book now to the address you gave me

RN

karlhenning

#981
July 08, 2009, 08:00:45 AM
Quote from: the eccentric propagandistDo yourself a favour.

The scale of your fakery, exaggeration, forgery and omission is quite something.

LOLOLOL

Someone, please: send Rob Newman to school!

Christie

#982
July 08, 2009, 08:05:04 AM
Quote from: robnewman on July 08, 2009, 07:57:09 AM
Franco,

Do yourself a favour. Sit down and read the scale of fakery, exaggeration, forgery and omission for yourself. And form your own considered judgement. That is all I can suggest.





Histroy is all lies, anyway.  I believe you!

Christie

#983
July 08, 2009, 08:07:34 AM
No way cud anyone write all the music they say that Mosart wrote.  They pull a fast one!

Joe_Campbell

#984
July 08, 2009, 08:09:25 AM
I think Neuman's account has been hacked by a moderator. "Mosart?" "cud?" :-X

robnewman

#985
July 08, 2009, 08:09:39 AM
Quote from: Alfred E. Neuman on July 08, 2009, 08:05:04 AM
Histroy is all lies, anyway.  I believe you!

History is not lies. History is the context within which truth reveals itself. A context which is often obscured, twisted, inverted, often ignored and falsified, even systematically and which deceives many. But not all.



karlhenning

#986
July 08, 2009, 08:12:51 AM
Quote from: Alfred E. Neuman on July 08, 2009, 08:07:34 AM
No way cud anyone write all the music they say that Mosart wrote.  They pull a fast one!

Although some pieces (like most of the "Mozart Symphony № 37") are genuine misattributions, it is simply an error to claim that no one could have written that volume of music.  How should we 'prove' such an 'impossibility'?

Gurn Blanston

#987
July 08, 2009, 08:13:08 AM
Quote from: Joe_Campbell on July 08, 2009, 08:09:25 AM
I think Neuman's account has been hacked by a moderator. "Mosart?" "cud?" :-X

Why a moderator? We know less about how to "hack" than, oh, YOU for instance... ;)

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karlhenning

#988
July 08, 2009, 08:15:40 AM
Quote from: the eccentric propagandistHistory is not lies. History is the context within which truth reveals itself. A context which is often obscured, twisted, inverted, often ignored and falsified, even systematically and which deceives many. But not all.

Oh, the facts will never deceive you, neighbor.

LOLOL

Someone, please: send Rob Newman to school!

Franco

#989
July 08, 2009, 08:16:35 AM
Quote from: robnewman on July 08, 2009, 08:09:39 AM
History is not lies. History is the context within which truth reveals itself. A context which is often obscured, twisted, inverted, often ignored and falsified, even systematically and which deceives many.

In the case of the "Mozart as fraud" thesis, it is the perpetrators, such as yourself, that contribute a context which is twisted, inverted, falsified, even systematically but which deceives no one.

bwv 1080

#990
July 08, 2009, 08:16:54 AM

karlhenning

#991
July 08, 2009, 08:17:50 AM
Quote from: Franco on July 08, 2009, 08:16:35 AM
In the case of the "Mozart as fraud" thesis, it is the perpetrators, such as yourself, that contribute a context which is twisted, inverted, falsified, even systematically but which deceives no one.

Ssshh! Rob thinks he has unique hold of The Truth!

LOLOL

Someone, please: send Rob Newman to school!

Joe_Campbell

#992
July 08, 2009, 08:18:56 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 08, 2009, 08:13:08 AM
Why a moderator? We know less about how to "hack" than, oh, YOU for instance... ;)

8)
Well, maybe just "alterered" by a moderator? :D

DavidRoss

#993
July 08, 2009, 08:19:35 AM
Quote from: robnewman on July 08, 2009, 08:09:39 AM
History is not lies. History is the context within which truth reveals itself. A context which is often obscured, twisted, inverted, often ignored and falsified, even systematically and which deceives many. But not all.

Although I have intentionally tried to avoid this thread for some time, I continue to see new entries when reviewing "recent posts."  Seems to me--without actually counting--that this makes several posts by Mr. Newman after the most recent occasion--today--on which he promised to quit the thread.  It also seems to me that having a bit of sport with someone whose capacity is so obviously compromised is a bit like teasing the developmentally disabled kids in school.  
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

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Christie

#994
July 08, 2009, 08:24:08 AM
Quote from: robnewman on July 08, 2009, 07:42:30 AM
Fact - I have asked Professor Karl Henning to show us evidence of Leopold Mozart being a teacher of composition/harmony to anyone. And we are still waiting. (He thinks we will believe him just for spreading this fiction. Let's tell him he is selling his snake oil again).

Fact - Mozart did NOT learn music from his father. In point of fact there exists a letter written by Leopold Mozart to Padre Martini in Bologna saying that his son (Wolfgang) according to his own employer (the Prince Archbishop of Salzburg) had NOT learned music or composition in Salzburg and that because of this FACT he, Wolfgang, was coming to Italy. But hey, why let such facts, documentary facts, get in the way of your fictions ? You are not interested in facts, are you, Prof. Henning ?

Fact - You don't want to read any works which call in to question your mythology. Although you want people to believe you are interested in evidence. That you are a fair and reasonable person. Right ?  ;D

Fact - I have finished contributing to this thread.

RN


Wow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Mozart

Wikiphedia says that Lepold taught violin, is that wrong, Fin?

Christie

#995
July 08, 2009, 08:24:59 AM
It looks like you were wrong.

robnewman

#996
July 08, 2009, 08:26:06 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on July 08, 2009, 08:19:35 AM
Although I have intentionally tried to avoid this thread for some time, I continue to see new entries when reviewing "recent posts."  Seems to me--without actually counting--that this makes several posts by Mr. Newman after the most recent occasion--today--on which he promised to quit the thread.  It also seems to me that having a bit of sport with someone whose capacity is so obviously compromised is a bit like teasing the developmentally disabled kids in school.  

David Ross,

With whatever energy I have, I am determined to answer, as well as I can, comments made towards me in respect of this issue. As I have for years already elsewhere. So that you will have a track record of who has been willing to share and discuss their findings. I wrote earlier that I had already made my contribution on this thread. But, shortly afterwards, came even more replies which merited an answer. So I answered them. As you see. If you wish to make no contribution here to this thread why not choose another thread ?



robnewman

#997
July 08, 2009, 08:28:37 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 08, 2009, 08:15:40 AM
Oh, the facts will never deceive you, neighbor.

LOLOL

Someone, please: send Rob Newman to school!

Facts may confuse us. They may, if not handled correctly, if not presented in their true context, even mislead us. But no, facts do not deceive us. We, in the end, are not deceived. Since facts and contexts are resolved together once facts are presented in their real context. Speaking of which, I see you have no appetite to read facts about Mozart of which you are not aware. But that's your choice and I will not ask you again.


karlhenning

#998
July 08, 2009, 08:31:58 AM
Quote from: the eccentric propagandistSpeaking of which, I see you have no appetite to read facts of which you are not aware. But that's your choice and I will not ask you again.

I see you have no appetite for furnishing a salient fact or two right here.  But that's your choice and I will not ask you again.

LOLOL

Someone, please: send Rob Newman to school!

robnewman

#999
July 08, 2009, 08:36:00 AM Last Edit: July 08, 2009, 08:38:13 AM by robnewman
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 08, 2009, 08:31:58 AM
I see you have no appetite for furnishing a salient fact or two right here.  But that's your choice and I will not ask you again.

LOLOL

Someone, please: send Rob Newman to school!

Let others be the judge of who is offering to provide facts. The record speaks for itself.




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