Political Matrix

[knight66]

As a woman I resent the fact that we are viewed as baby-making machines.  Indeed I look forward to the day when babies never grow in our bellies but are grown in laboratories from our removed egg and sperm cells. 

IMHO since men cannot bear children they should have NO opinion one way or the other on abortion, it is a woman's issue NOT a man's issue.  Men are ONLY sperm donors and all the work of producing a viable human being is completely in the wombs of women.  If would be different if Men could get pregnant but they cannot not!

Todd's judgement is right. I slid it by first time round; but as before, when you repeat an idiocy, I find it difficult to leave off.

So, the father has no rights to contribute to any decision over his unborn child. Disenfranchised at a stroke. More of your totalitarianism.

Freedom is what Teresa states it is at any given time.

But, if you don't like that folks, wait a short time, the parameters of the freedom you are permitted will alter tomorrow, or possibly sooner, whenever she returns from the planet she habitually lives on.

Did you ever meet Sean?

Mike

[Todd]

Did you ever meet Sean?

Imagine the possibilities!

[knight66]

Life created in a testube may have attractions after all.

Mike

[Teresa]

@ Teresa

Actually, you do have the freedom to yell fire at the movies.

"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent."
Oliver Wendell Holmes

[knight66]

You still have the freedom to shout it; as long as you are prepared for the consequences.

Mike

[Teresa]

You still have the freedom to shout it; as long as you are prepared for the consequences.

Mike

OK if you are prepared to go to jail.  But somehow that doesn't sound like freedom to me. 

[knight66]

Are we only free, ideologically, to do things if there are no consequences?

Mike

[Scarpia]

Are we only free, ideologically, to do things if there are no consequences?

I think what Teresa has discovered, bless her heart, is that you are free to do anything you like as long as you are not able to understand or foresee the consequences.

And you can see how long my resolution lasted.   

[Teresa]

So, the father has no rights to contribute to any decision over his unborn child. Disenfranchised at a stroke. More of your totalitarianism.

No men have NO right to dictate the terms of any pregnancy, it is totally up to the Mother.  Oh, they can discuss and contribute their opinion but the final decision is made by the Mother who is carrying the baby.  When men can have babies (I guarantee you don't want to) then and ONLY then do they have any ultimate say in the matter.

Freedom is what Teresa states it is at any given time.

I believe in freedom and my definition never changes. 

Did you ever meet Sean?

Mike

Sean who?

[Todd]

No men have NO right to dictate the terms of any pregnancy, it is totally up to the Mother.  Oh, they can discuss and contribute their opinion but the final decision is made by the Mother who is carrying the baby.  When men can have babies (I guarantee you don't want to) then and ONLY then do they have any ultimate say in the matter.

Another candidate for dumbest paragraph ever posted.  Teresa is a veritable fountain of dumb writing.

[knight66]

No men have NO right to dictate the terms of any pregnancy, it is totally up to the Mother.  Oh, they can discuss and contribute their opinion but the final decision is made by the Mother who is carrying the baby.  When men can have babies (I guarantee you don't want to) then and ONLY then do they have any ultimate say in the matter.

Not that I would anticipate logical conclusions; but if the father has no rights until it is born; why must he have obligations after the birth?

Mike

[knight66]

And you can see how long my resolution lasted.   

How long does it take to produce a hard boiled egg?

Mike

[Bulldog]

And you can see how long my resolution lasted.   

I also find it impossible to stay out the Diner, where all the important issues are harmoniously resolved.

[knight66]

You must give me the address of that Diner.

Mike

[Teresa]

Another candidate for dumbest paragraph ever posted.  Teresa is a veritable fountain of dumb writing.

What weird perceptions you have!  As that was yet another brilliantly intelligent post I wrote.

As always my writing is profound and some of the most logical which is much needed with this turning into an anti-people thread.  With men having the gall to try to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies, denying gays the legal benefits of marriage, and outright supporting the Porn industry. 

BTW are you a woman hater Todd? 

[DavidRoss]

Another candidate for dumbest paragraph ever posted.  Teresa is a veritable fountain of dumb writing.

Aye.  And the competition is steep, not least among her own contributions.  By the way--not that you need the affirmation, since the reasonableness of your statements is self-evident--but you are absolutely correct and commendably clear and direct in your statements here regarding abortion.  Your common sense on that matter is a beacon of sanity in this thread.  Thank you.

[Teresa]

Not that I would anticipate logical conclusions; but if the father has no rights until it is born; why must he have obligations after the birth?

Mike

Very simple!  Once outside of the woman's body the baby is no longer TOTALLY dependent on it's mother.  Once it is born it becomes a human being dependent on both of it's parents.  This is not rocket science, pure simple biological logic.

Since it takes a sperm and an egg to make a baby, both parents have parental obligations after it's birth.  DUH! 

[Scarpia]

Very simple!  Once outside of the woman's body the baby is no longer TOTALLY dependent on it's mother.  Once it is born it becomes a human being dependent on both of it's parents.  This is not rocket science, pure simple biological logic.

Since it takes a sperm and an egg to make a baby, both parents have parental obligations after it's birth.  DUH! 

I have to take a breath and remind myself that this person is not capable of following any rational argument. 

[Teresa]

I have to take a breath and remind myself that this person is not capable of following any rational argument.

      WHAT A BLATANT INSULT AND BALD-FACE LIE.  Why do you do this?

All of my writing is HIGHLY RATIONAL and WELL THOUGHT-OUT.   Every single point and counterpoint is spot on. 

However insults will not do, I DEMAND AN APOLOGY NOW!

Since you are lacking an understanding on how women's bodies work during pregnancy.  I will give you further PROOF POSITIVE that a baby's well being is TOTALLY dependent on its mother.  During pregnancy men can drink, smoke, do drugs and it will have no ill effect on the baby as long they do not do it around the woman.  However if the woman drinks, smokes or does drugs during her pregnancy it will likely damage the to be born infant's health, sometimes drastically.

Sometimes I think men have a understanding disability! 

[greg]

I also find it impossible to stay out the Diner, where all the important issues are harmoniously resolved.

Interestingly, the first thing I did when I got home was go read this thread. I don't know even know why, because I'm not even interested in any of the topics.