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[longears]

Seems perverse to me, too, Que!  Sort of like Led Zeppelin covers by the Boston Pops.  Of course I'm not much of a Karajan fan in general, though I do think he's done some fine stuff.  It just never occured to me that he'd have much affinity for Tchaikovsky.  And my need for Tchaikovsky symphonies is adequately filled by Markevitch and Mravinsky.  But if I were looking for other recordings, I'd probably give Gergiev a try.

[sidoze]

What about Tchaikovsky symphonies by the experts, like Markevitch? Or Mravinsky? Or Svetlanov? 

obviously these--and Kondrashin, who has the most intense 6 around IMO--are first choice. But for a whole set the Karajan is a very good choice in fine sound. Did Markevitch record a full set? I think Svetlanov did but I never liked this conductor -- big huge sound which works well for some composers, though I get the feeling he conducted everything in the same manner (Mahler/Bruckner, not exactly sensitive interpretations ). Far away from the Mravinsky/Kondrashin class IMO

[Bogey]

Guys, guys, what's up with all that Karajan/ Tchaikovsky? 

The number of Karajan photos in a row is simply overwhelming!

What about Tchaikovsky symphonies by the experts, like Markevitch? Or Mravinsky? Or Svetlanov? 

Check this thread on the old forum: A Tchaikovsky symphony set

Q

Seems perverse to me, too, Que!  Sort of like Led Zeppelin covers by the Boston Pops.  Of course I'm not much of a Karajan fan in general, though I do think he's done some fine stuff.  It just never occured to me that he'd have much affinity for Tchaikovsky.  And my need for Tchaikovsky symphonies is adequately filled by Markevitch and Mravinsky.  But if I were looking for other recordings, I'd probably give Gergiev a try.

Markevitch or Mravinsky?  Did either record the entire cycle?  If so, would appreciate a link.

[sidoze]

  Yes Mark, a Rosette by Penguin Guide, which I often refer to means a lot.  It signifies what they consider "exceptional" "ideal" etc.   
   

in fact it means very little, and if you collect enough you tend to view it as a negative attribution (which is how I see it). Reason being that the Penguin guide is 1) limited in choice, what it offers, what it includes, and low in live / historical recordings; 2) biased to British musicians and labels (after all many of the writers work with Gramophone and are British -- it's quite a well-documented bias, unfortunately). Places like this board and RMCR are for that reason invaluable since they can tell you about recordings that the guide doesn't mention and also put the recommended recordings in perspective. That's my take anyway.

[The new erato]

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[Bogey]

in fact it means very little, and if you collect enough you tend to view it as a negative attribution (which is how I see it). Reason being that the Penguin guide is 1) limited in choice, what it offers, what it includes, and low in live / historical recordings; 2) biased to British musicians and labels (after all many of the writers work with Gramophone and are British -- it's quite a well-documented bias, unfortunately). Places like this board and RMCR are for that reason invaluable since they can tell you about recordings that the guide doesn't mention and also put the recommended recordings in perspective. That's my take anyway.

I just referred to my Penguin Guide for the first time in months (over a year?) last night when trying to finalize my recent Schumann purchase....I found it fairly unhelpful and lacking when compared to the insights to recordings that I find here.  Hmmm, the GMG Penguin.  Our new mascott!:

[Drasko]

Markevitch or Mravinsky?  Did either record the entire cycle?  If so, would appreciate a link.

Markevitch did, Mravinsky didn't.

http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Symphonies-1-3-Pyotr-Ilyich/dp/B0000041BS
http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Symphonies-Nos-Pyotr-Ilyich/dp/B00000416A

[longears]

Markevitch or Mravinsky?  Did either record the entire cycle?  If so, would appreciate a link.

Take Markevitch 1-3, above, and Mravinsky 4-6, here.

[Que]

obviously these--and Kondrashin, who has the most intense 6 around IMO--are first choice. But for a whole set the Karajan is a very good choice in fine sound.

No arguing in that - I just thought that the discussion was not very much of a discussion without alternate perspective.  

Did Markevitch record a full set?

Markevitch or Mravinsky?  Did either record the entire cycle?  If so, would appreciate a link.

Mravinsky didn't (4-6), but I personally don't mind much.

Igor Markevitch did record all Tchaikovsky symphonies: 1-6 on two twofers on Philips, the Manfred symphony is to be found in the "Great Conductors of the Century" series - marvelous!

Q

EDIT: I see Drasko and longears already provided links to Markevitch's 1-3 and 4-6.
Here is the link to the Manfred: http://www.amazon.com/Igor-Markevitch-Emmanuel-Chabrier/dp/B00005V33M/ref=sr_1_2/105-8143127-0124455?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1191788374&sr=1-2

[Bogey]

Thank you much gentlemen.

[sidoze]

Igor Markevitch...the Manfred symphony is to be found in the "Great Conductors of the Century" series - marvelous!

agreed! That is definitely a great conductor's great recording One of my most intense concert experiences came from that work -- Fedoseyev and his Moscow Radio SO came to London and lifted the roof with it. What an overwhelming ending to the first movement!  You just can't experience that on CD no matter how good the recording is.

[Drasko]

I think Svetlanov did but I never liked this conductor -- big huge sound which works well for some composers, though I get the feeling he conducted everything in the same manner (Mahler/Bruckner, not exactly sensitive interpretations ). Far away from the Mravinsky/Kondrashin class IMO

Svetlanov is excellent in Russian romantic repertoire (from Glinka to Scriabin and Myaskovsky). Tchaikovsky wise his 1st and 2nd are in the very top, 2nd probably at the very top. And the rest isn't that far away, IMO.

[rubio]

Svetlanov is excellent in Russian romantic repertoire (from Glinka to Scriabin and Myaskovsky). Tchaikovsky wise his 1st and 2nd are in the very top, 2nd probably at the very top. And the rest isn't that far away, IMO.

How's the Svetlanov set sound-wise?

[Drasko]

How's the Svetlanov set sound-wise?

Not great but good enough, no need to avoid it on that ground, at least in Scribendum remastering.

There is another, later (live I think) cycle in supposedly great sound on Canyon but it is available only as 6 singles from Japan.

[George]

Svetlanov is excellent in Russian romantic repertoire (from Glinka to Scriabin and Myaskovsky). Tchaikovsky wise his 1st and 2nd are in the very top, 2nd probably at the very top. And the rest isn't that far away, IMO.

I have his Manfred from the late 70s on Melodiya. Is this from the set you are referring to?

[marvinbrown]

Guys, guys, what's up with all that Karajan/ Tchaikovsky? 

The number of Karajan photos in a row is simply overwhelming!

Q

  Sorry Que, apologies are in order since I was the one who started this whole Tchaikovsky/Karajan "fiesta" ...but as you can see we all LOVE Tchaikovsky and Karajan !


  with apologies  0:) ,

  Marvin

     PS:  I just bought my first complete Tchaikovsky/Karajan Symphony set  .

[BorisG]

For Karajan and Tchaikovsky, symphonies 4 - 6 on EMI Gemini, newly remastered.

Muti, symphonies 1 - 3. Singles, or various boxes including Brilliant Classics.

[dtwilbanks]

There are way too many quoted posts around here that include the images from the original post. Just quote the text fer chrissakess whydon'tcha?   

[Renfield]

For Karajan and Tchaikovsky, symphonies 4 - 6 on EMI Gemini, newly remastered.

Still not up to scratch (recording) quality-wise, though; especially compared to the recordings from the 60's in punch, or the 70's in clarity.

Que, regarding the Karajan onslaught, the man asked for a good set of the Tchaikovsky symphonies. And so we obliged in recommending one.

(Although I do consider Mravinsky's 4-6 a rather awesome achievement. However, they are still not a set. Also, Karajan's affinity with Tchaikovsky, which I originally doubted very much, is not to be underestimated, surprisingly!)

[Dancing Divertimentian]

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I have the LP of this Nose on Columbia/Melodiya. That is, assuming this CD is the same performance (likely is). If so, I can't rec it high enough. Buy with confidence. In fact, I've long wanted to replace my LP. Looks like I can now.

(Haven't heard The Gamblers)