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(poco) Sforzando

#840
June 27, 2023, 06:52:58 PM
Quote from: Karl Henning on June 27, 2023, 01:41:09 PMI'm impressed that he did a video with which you are this pleased!

He sometimes does quite well, when he's not fighting imaginary enemies and tilting at windmills. His analysis of the Bruckner 6th also stands out. As do quite a few others. He can also be very funny (check out the video on Carl Orff). And no one who loathes the artistry of Arthur Schoonderwoord can be all bad. But he's far from the "ultimate" seer he pretends to be. And some of his enthusiasms (Nikolai Kasputin - are you kidding me?) are as dubious as some of the composers he abominates (Pierre Boulez "garbage" - are you kidding me?)
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Brian

#841
June 27, 2023, 06:57:29 PM
Quote from: DavidW on June 27, 2023, 05:17:20 PMThe Guardian, the New York Times, the New Yorker.  For comprehensiveness MusicWeb.  Brian, Todd and others do a great job of writing up reviews here as well.  And don't forget Jens Laurson's blog (when he is not busy writing for Classics Today or posting here).
MusicWeb is good if you devote a few memory cells to remembering which reviewers have which fields of expertise and which you agree with. There are some who are totally unreliable but others where I see their name and understand the perspective and knowledge they are writing from.

Madiel

#842
June 27, 2023, 07:04:03 PM
Quote from: DavidW on June 27, 2023, 05:17:20 PMThe Guardian, the New York Times, the New Yorker.  For comprehensiveness MusicWeb.  Brian, Todd and others do a great job of writing up reviews here as well.  And don't forget Jens Laurson's blog (when he is not busy writing for Classics Today or posting here).

The Guardian is... okay. MusicWeb is terrible. The others are subscription and I couldn't even tell you how much reviewing they do.
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Madiel

#843
June 27, 2023, 11:08:52 PM Last Edit: June 28, 2023, 05:42:54 PM by Madiel
Actually I've remembered an alternative I've been meaning to try more: the BBC record review.
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DavidW

#844
June 28, 2023, 05:56:38 AM
Quote from: Brian on June 27, 2023, 06:57:29 PMMusicWeb is good if you devote a few memory cells to remembering which reviewers have which fields of expertise and which you agree with. There are some who are totally unreliable but others where I see their name and understand the perspective and knowledge they are writing from.

The same is true of Classics Today.  If you want to read a review of a PI baroque era recording, it is Jed Distler.  Dave Hurwitz's take on any of those might as well be noise because he can't get over his extreme bias.

Spotted Horses

#845
June 28, 2023, 06:12:52 AM Last Edit: June 28, 2023, 07:56:16 AM by Spotted Horses
I'll irritate everyone by saying it again, I typically find a review is of no value to me (except to make me aware that a recording exists). A brief exchange here with someone I know about a recording can be quite interesting and valuable.

Madiel

#846
June 28, 2023, 06:13:02 AM
David Hurwitz regularly recommends period instrument recordings. As he himself frequently points out due to the canard that he never likes period instrument recordings.

I don't know off the top of my head if that goes as far as the baroque. It most definitely goes as far as Haydn.
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Madiel

#847
June 28, 2023, 06:15:44 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on June 28, 2023, 06:12:52 AMA brief exchange here with someone I know about a recording can be quite interesting and valuable.

Why don't you consider that to be a review?
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Spotted Horses

#848
June 28, 2023, 06:16:16 AM
Quote from: Madiel on June 28, 2023, 06:15:44 AMWhy don't you consider that to be a review?


Because it is a conversation.

Madiel

#849
June 28, 2023, 06:17:19 AM
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Florestan

#850
June 28, 2023, 06:25:05 AM
Reminds me of the conversations between Florestan, Eusebius and Master Raro, which mystified people into believing they were actually reviews.  ;D
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Madiel

#851
June 28, 2023, 06:27:22 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 28, 2023, 06:25:05 AMReminds me of the conversations between Florestan, Eusebius and Master Raro, which mystified people into believing they were actually reviews.  ;D

Well look, if you can't find anyone else to have a satisfying conversation with, it's at least worth trying a conversation with yourself to see if it is up to the required standard.
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DavidW

#852
October 08, 2023, 09:07:06 AM
Quote from: 71 dB on October 07, 2023, 01:14:38 PMDH made a video about J.S.Bach - Johannes Passion & Matteus Passion - Herreweghe

That is odd.  I thought that Hurwitz didn't even listen to baroque era music since Jed Distler covers that era on Classics Today.  And are you saying that DH praised Herreweghe!?!  A conductor he mostly hates!?  Wow!

71 dB

#853
October 08, 2023, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: DavidW on October 08, 2023, 09:07:06 AMThat is odd.  I thought that Hurwitz didn't even listen to baroque era music since Jed Distler covers that era on Classics Today.  And are you saying that DH praised Herreweghe!?!  A conductor he mostly hates!?  Wow!

Why don't you watch the video yourself? It's not long.
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#854
October 08, 2023, 10:49:40 PM Last Edit: October 08, 2023, 10:53:52 PM by Madiel
Quote from: DavidW on October 08, 2023, 09:07:06 AMA conductor he mostly hates!?

Evidence please. Given that I can very quickly find at least 2 other examples of him recommending Herreweghe as a top choice in repertoire.

There is plenty of mention of Baroque music on his channel.
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DavidW

#855
October 09, 2023, 06:14:12 AM
Quote from: Madiel on October 08, 2023, 10:49:40 PMEvidence please.

Look up any (written) review of Beethoven symphonies conducted by Herreweghe as a starter.  You can also just search Classics Today.

DavidW

#856
October 09, 2023, 06:16:58 AM
Quote from: 71 dB on October 08, 2023, 12:08:58 PMWhy don't you watch the video yourself? It's not long.

lol no, I'm not giving him a higher watch count.

Florestan

#857
October 09, 2023, 06:27:59 AM
Quote from: DavidW on October 09, 2023, 06:16:58 AMlol no, I'm not giving him a higher watch count.

Oh yes, your watching or not watching one of his videos is going to make a big difference and have a huge impact on his watch count.  ;D

With all due respect, your position is not quite fair: somebody mentions a David Hurwitz video, you express disbelief about its content, but when invited to see for yourself you demur under a rather slight pretext. Do you hate him so much?
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DavidW

#858
October 09, 2023, 06:31:56 AM
Quote from: Florestan on October 09, 2023, 06:27:59 AMWith all due respect, your position is not quite fair: somebody mentions a David Hurwitz video, you express disbelief about its content, but when invited to see for yourself you demur under a rather slight pretext. Do you hate him so much?

Well you just read that wrong.  I believe Poju.  I was just shocked that Hurwitz would promote a recording from a conductor that he has spent so long bashing.  I don't need to watch the video, Poju never lies.

Madiel

#859
October 09, 2023, 06:33:02 AM Last Edit: October 09, 2023, 06:43:22 AM by Madiel
Quote from: DavidW on October 09, 2023, 06:14:12 AMLook up any (written) review of Beethoven symphonies conducted by Herreweghe as a starter.  You can also just search Classics Today.



Me asking for evidence is not an invitation to make me Google. I already did a search as I told you, and found 2 more times he recommended Herreweghe in Purcell and Monteverdi. Not liking his performances of one composer is not evidence of hating Herreweghe all the time, it's merely evidence of hating his Beethoven.

Which isn't even Baroque repertoire. About the strongest proposition so far might be he thinks Herreweghe should stick to Baroque.

EDIT: Turns out he thinks Herreweghe is good in Stravinsky too.

SECOND EDIT: And if YOU bothered searching Classics Today you would find his existing rave reviews of Herreweghe's Bach.
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