Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

[zamyrabyrd]

In comparison, he was a mere aspirant  0:)

Rule of thumb with Barack was to believe the opposite of what he was saying;
"Obamacare is not a tax". "The economy is better than ever." (US debt doubled from 8 years ago)
Keep the change, Bub!

[drogulus]

I can see from this Thread why Dictators want to eliminate "intellectuals". ... always the first to be disappeared...

    You can't be a dictator any other way. At least dictators don't think so, and they ought to know.

    Louis Antoine de Saint-Just should be the favorite revolutionary for thoughtful people. Someone fetch me a thoughtful person! No, it's OK, I'll do it. Saint-Juste said, translated:

"What constitutes a republic is the total destruction of everything that stands in opposition to it."

    I get it, I do. If you destroy everything in opposition to you you're a republic. If you fail, you're not.

    If we don't want Trump to be a dictator it should not matter to us whether he believes he will be one, or is one. It's enough that he satisfies neutral criteria based on his actions and utterances. If another politician in another country said and did the same things he would be an aspiring dictator.

[ahinton]

In comparison, he was a mere aspirant  0:)

Whereas the present incumbent's an anti-perspirant, right?

[ahinton]

Gad, I thought I wrote long sentences. Usually when I'm on a roll I go back and break up my stream of consciousness.

Psychotherapy, or trying to get to the emotional causes why some people feel they need or like to blow things up or kill, is too expensive time and resource-wise. Also innocent people get murdered or maimed while everyone is trying to figure it all out.

Maybe so, but you do not root out all terrorists and their nefarious activities forever merely by trying to find them (not the easiest thing on earth to do) and removing their lives from them, nor do you free a nation from terrorism and terrorists by finding them all and deporting them.

Saudi Arabia is a large country with vast regions virtually uninhabited. Nevertheless they are cleaning house, lumping together all kinds of violations, real and imagined, with terrorism. (Somehow CNN forgot to mention this "outrage".)

"Saudi Arabia has deported almost 40,000 Pakistanis over the past four months, claiming that they could be involved in the commission of terrorist acts, Moheet.com reported on Friday. Over 39,000 Pakistanis have been deported from Saudi Arabia in the last four months, the Saudi Gazette reported on Tuesday. The deportations were attributed to visa violations, crime and security concerns linking the deportees to terrorist organisations, but come amid a background of migrant worker unrest that has plagued the kingdom over the past year."

http://patriotpowerednews.com/saudi-arabia-bans-muslims-deports-40000-pakistanis-suspected-of-terrorism/

Sure, but if some countries refuse to accept deportees, attempts would have to be made to deport them elsewhere; one can go only so far with that and if a country tries to force deportees on a country that does not wish to accept them it will only exacerbate matters; how may deportees, whether or not they are known terrorists or terrorist suspects, has Saudi accepted in the days since it despatched those nice guys to NYC to redesign WTC just over 15 years ago?

[Florestan]

        Louis Antoine de Saint-Just should be the favorite revolutionary for thoughtful people. Someone fetch me a thoughtful person! No, it's OK, I'll do it. Saint-Juste said, translated:

"What constitutes a republic is the total destruction of everything that stands in opposition to it."

     

IOW, substitute the Reign of Terror for the Rule of Law and you have a republic; anything short of that doesn't qualify as such. Stalin as the ultimate republican.

Thanks but no, thanks.

[zamyrabyrd]

Maybe so, but you do not root out all terrorists and their nefarious activities forever merely by trying to find them (not the easiest thing on earth to do) and removing their lives from them, nor do you free a nation from terrorism and terrorists by finding them all and deporting them.

There are special problems with this kind of world-wide terrorism. Terrorists have access to the latest communication and armaments (they can rent heavy duty lorries). They have the possibility of blending in with refugees, many of whom are in desperate need. But this doesn't mean there is no hope in identifying potential bombers or killers. Since they do use social media, they can be traced. Also profiling radicals and young men in their 20's coming from a certain part of the world helps to narrow the list. In fact, they already declared war. Why are we all so blind and stupid?

[drogulus]

     A historian says Trump's presidency is likely to be the second shortest in history

     

IOW, substitute the Reign of Terror for the Rule of Law and you have a republic; anything short of that doesn't qualify as such. Stalin as the ultimate republican.

Thanks but no, thanks.

     It doesn't have to lead to Stalin, and the reasons why it doesn't are various. A country may have institutional strengths and practices, animated by ideas of self government, that focus opposition to dictatorship, aborting dictatorial power grabs while the perp is still in buffoon stage. In a case like that it might be believed that all the proto-dictator ever wanted was to be what he ended up. He was only rhetorically at war with all the other institutions of government and society, he never meant it to go beyond that.

[Florestan]

     It doesn't have to lead to Stalin, and the reasons why it doesn't are various. A country may have institutional strengths and practices, animated by ideas of self government, that focus opposition to dictatorship, aborting dictatorial power grabs while the perp is still in buffoon stage. In a case like that it might be believed that all the proto-dictator ever wanted was to be what he ended up. He was only rhetorically at war with all the other institutions of government and society, he never meant it to go beyond that.

You cited approvingly Saint-Just's dictum: "What constitutes a republic is the total destruction of everything that stands in opposition to it."  Well, I live in a republic yet I wouldn't mind if it were abolished and a constitutional monarchy substituted for it; actually, I wish it happened. According to Saint-Just --- and apparently yourself --- I should be executed. 

[drogulus]

You cited approvingly Saint-Just's dictum: "What constitutes a republic is the total destruction of everything that stands in opposition to it."  Well, I live in a republic yet I wouldn't mind if it were abolished and a constitutional monarchy substituted for it; actually, I wish it happened. According to Saint-Just --- and apparently yourself --- I should be executed. 

     ?

     Seriously, I promise not to execute you unless I decide to become a Saint-Juste republican. That's pretty unlikely since I'd have to execute myself.

[Florestan]

        Seriously, I promise not to execute you unless I decide to become a Saint-Juste republican. That's pretty unlikely since I'd have to execute myself.

I'm greatly relieved. 

[ahinton]

There are special problems with this kind of world-wide terrorism. Terrorists have access to the latest communication and armaments (they can rent heavy duty lorries). They have the possibility of blending in with refugees, many of whom are in desperate need. But this doesn't mean there is no hope in identifying potential bombers or killers. Since they do use social media, they can be traced. Also profiling radicals and young men in their 20's coming from a certain part of the world helps to narrow the list. In fact, they already declared war. Why are we all so blind and stupid?

I did not suggest and do not suggest that it is preternaturally or indeed otherwise impossible for anyone or any nation to identify possible or actual terrorists and consider how best to deal therewith; I merely pointed out the immense difficulty of so doing and the problems that any nation aces in trying to put matters right in the cognisance that these matters are pertinent and will and do proliferate.

I appreciate what you say and indeed do not in principle even disagree therewith but it must be accepted that terrorist intent can manifest itself in one place and become effectively actual in quite another because the dark web and other resources provide the means whereby to enable it to develop in one place in order that it can take effect in another, a factor of which Trump & Co. so far seems sadly so far to have scant cognisance, much to his and their discredit...

[zamyrabyrd]

I appreciate what you say and indeed do not in principle even disagree therewith but it must be accepted that terrorist intent can manifest itself in one place and become effectively actual in quite another because the dark web and other resources provide the means whereby to enable it to develop in one place in order that it can take effect in another, a factor of which Trump & Co. so far seems sadly so far to have scant cognisance, much to his and their discredit...

Well, did Obama & Co. DO anything at all, except toe the politically correct line (which fails over and over)? Focusing on feelings of potential terrorists and self-examination if we are not doing enough to make them happy is not the way to go. Just the threat of not being able to move around so easily should put a cramp in their style. Trump's simple-mindedness bothers some people but terror may be a problem with a simple solution: don't mess with us!

ZB

[drogulus]

     Obama was pretty good about killing terrorists and keeping them out of the country.

[SimonNZ]

Well, did Obama & Co. DO anything at all, except toe the politically correct line (which fails over and over)? Focusing on feelings of potential terrorists and self-examination if we are not doing enough to make them happy is not the way to go. Just the threat of not being able to move around so easily should put a cramp in their style. Trump's simple-mindedness bothers some people but terror may be a problem with a simple solution: don't mess with us!

ZB

Fascinating. Where do you get your news from? I'm really asking.

[drogulus]

     

     Trump Staffer Grateful To Work With So Many People He Could Turn Over To FBI In Exchange For Immunity

[BasilValentine]

Well, did Obama & Co. DO anything at all, except toe the politically correct line (which fails over and over)? Focusing on feelings of potential terrorists and self-examination if we are not doing enough to make them happy is not the way to go. Just the threat of not being able to move around so easily should put a cramp in their style. Trump's simple-mindedness bothers some people but terror may be a problem with a simple solution: don't mess with us!

ZB

Yes, Trump's ban was working wonders. It was putting a cramp in the style of a large number of women and children (70% of Syrian refugees, for example) trying to escape from a mess the U.S. created by mindlessly overturning the balance of power in the middle east. It was putting a cramp in the style of Iraqi and Afghani interpreters who worked keeping our troops safe on the understanding that we wouldn't hang them out to dry. Now they have targets on their backs and they and their families are being threatened and sometimes killed because we are not honoring our commitments to them. It was putting a cramp in the style of visa applicants who have gone through years of vetting and who sold their homes and everything they own because we made a commitment to allow them into the country. It was putting a cramp in the style of a large number of students coming here for enlightenment and education, many of whom would have returned to their homelands with a good view of the U.S., ambassadors to the world. It was putting a cramp in the style of families who were being separated from their spouses and children because that specimen you put in the white house thought he could keep the support of his base by making an asinine and feckless gesture that had no potential for alleviating any threat. Terror doesn't have simple solutions. And if you think Trump's intention is to try to combat it effectively, you are being naive. You would have to go way down the list of Trump's goals for his ban before you would get to anything having to do with protecting American lives. 

[snyprrr]

Ooooo... save us Bill Maher, from that... that... MAN, BABY!!

ZB

Can you believe what ONE MONTH IN OFFICE of TheMeme has done to people? I think the Masters of En-El-Pee have actually successfully formed an army of mindless drones... TheFascist Says You Are A Fascist...


Doncha think if there was a video of Trump doing SOOOMETHING Truly Worth Your Condemnation, it would have been used. Seriously, every US politician in the tank is probably being blackmailed in typical 'Godfather/hookers/boys' fashion... Graham, Schumer,... the whole "swamp"

And Bill Kristol looooooves the "deep state"




Forgive me- as you know, Jeremiah says that the "the end of the nations shall be a desolation" (I'm para-fracking) , so, I imagine the moles are too much for any one admin to deal with,- there will be treason most foul, as there probably already has been...

There's just no way to govern the US anymore, the ticks are deeply embedded... the leeching of the system... the mass mass mass of the world's lowest being forced in here- and everywhere.

You're gonna run out of other people's money....

[snyprrr]

If all the universe's wealth were represented as ten marbles, and one marble each was given to each of the universe's ten central banks, and those banks lent out that money at interest,...

where does the interest come from?... where is the monies that the banker's will be asking for?...


Why won't banks EVER play good guy and give THE WORLD a break? Why are we trapped in a system of compound interest that snookers us into a game that cannot be won?

WHY?


And no, I don't think Trump will go after TheUltraGuilty...

[BasilValentine]

If all the universe's wealth were represented as ten marbles, and one marble each was given to each of the universe's ten central banks, and those banks lent out that money at interest,...

where does the interest come from?... where is the monies that the banker's will be asking for?...


Why won't banks EVER play good guy and give THE WORLD a break? Why are we trapped in a system of compound interest that snookers us into a game that cannot be won?

WHY?


And no, I don't think Trump will go after TheUltraGuilty...

Ooh, ooh! I know the answer! The interest comes out of the blood and sweat of millions of working people. As in that first Matrix movie, all of these lost souls currently have tubes stuck in their neck arteries piped directly to the banks. Now not so long ago, many (most) states had limits on the interest rates credit cards could charge, usually around 10%, right? Now banks get more than double that. And there are millions paying off student loans at inordinately high interests. And many still paying interest on underwater mortgages. The result is vast fields of drones slaving to meet these obligations. And occasionally they are raped en masse as in the housing crisis. Where is the easiest and safest place to invest capital in these conditions? Just sink that tube into their necks and suck out the interest for decades. By freeing up the banking regulations, thousands of otherwise potentially decent and creative people are turned into vampires. This is a condition of moral hazard. If banks are allowed to happily bloat like blood saturated ticks on the bodies of the impecunious, they will do so. On the other hand, if vampirism was made more difficult and less lucrative by returning to sensible regulation, some of that capital would have to find something more constructive to do. The banks might have to think and take risks and sink that money into new ventures and technologies. Nah, too much effort. It's much easier to pump some seed money into the pockets of the snollygosters in Washington so they won't make us pull out the tubes.

[zamyrabyrd]

Yes, Trump's ban was working wonders. It was putting a cramp in the style of a large number of women and children (70% of Syrian refugees, for example) trying to escape from a mess the U.S. created by mindlessly overturning the balance of power in the middle east. It was putting a cramp in the style of Iraqi and Afghani interpreters who worked keeping our troops safe on the understanding that we wouldn't hang them out to dry. Now they have targets on their backs and they and their families are being threatened and sometimes killed because we are not honoring our commitments to them. It was putting a cramp in the style of visa applicants who have gone through years of vetting and who sold their homes and everything they own because we made a commitment to allow them into the country. It was putting a cramp in the style of a large number of students coming here for enlightenment and education, many of whom would have returned to their homelands with a good view of the U.S., ambassadors to the world. It was putting a cramp in the style of families who were being separated from their spouses and children because that specimen you put in the white house thought he could keep the support of his base by making an asinine and feckless gesture that had no potential for alleviating any threat. Terror doesn't have simple solutions. And if you think Trump's intention is to try to combat it effectively, you are being naive. You would have to go way down the list of Trump's goals for his ban before you would get to anything having to do with protecting American lives.

I'm sorry but it is blame the terrorists for making it difficult for their countrymen to escape war zones. Blame those who said they would mingle and hide themselves together with refugees. Blame the rotten apples in the barrel.  Blame those who don't condemn terrorism or radicalism carried out by their fellow coreligionists.

ZB