Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

[zamyrabyrd]

Elitist's, as you use the term, exist in the imagination of the populists.
In reality they are few and far between and are from both political parties.

Elitists are moneyed intellectuals who despise the lower classes.

let's face it, you feel victimized because people of color and other minorities (like gays) are slowly acquiring the same rights as you.

What "rights" are minorities deprived of these days? This is a false flag useful only for virtue signaling.

[Christo]

The real bifurcation in the US is not split upon party lines but is populist vs. elitist.

Both in the US and everywhere else, the so-called populists are elitists par excellence. With a few extras: populists are much more often criminals and mafiosi (like Trump), make considerably more abuse of public funds (e.g. in the European Parliament, this week's news, but the same is evident in all national parliaments) and are much more dependent on fake news and public lies. The real split is one between democracy and autocracy - populists hating democracy and admiring other autocrats.

[Karl Henning]

Both in the US and everywhere else, the so-called populists are elitists par excellence. With a few extras: populists are much more often criminals and mafiosi (like Trump), make considerably more abuse of public funds (e.g. in the European Parliament, this week's news, but the same is evident in all national parliaments) and are much more dependent on fake news and public lies. The real split is one between democracy and autocracy - populists hating democracy and admiring other autocrats.

Excellent analysis.

[zamyrabyrd]

Both in the US and everywhere else, the so-called populists are elitists par excellence. With a few extras: populists are much more often criminals and mafiosi (like Trump), make considerably more abuse of public funds (e.g. in the European Parliament, this week's news, but the same is evident in all national parliaments) and are much more dependent on fake news and public lies. The real split is one between democracy and autocracy - populists hating democracy and admiring other autocrats.

What rot! I come from a long line of construction workers and sweat shop seamstresses. Criminals and mafiosi, sure, you would like to believe it. The difference here is elitists WANT to be the autocrats, like the Clinton and Bush crime families, but hide their intentions.

[eljr]

Elitists are moneyed intellectuals who despise the lower classes.

in your mind, not in the real world

What "rights" are minorities deprived of these days? This is a false flag useful only for virtue signaling.

marriage rights, even which toilet they can use

But it is that most rights have already been granted (on paper)  that has you feeling so resentful.

What would Jesus say is what I always wonder. 

[zamyrabyrd]

marriage rights, even which toilet they can use
But it is that most rights have already been granted (on paper)  that has you feeling so resentful.
What would Jesus say is what I always wonder. 

Anybody can marry anyone or anything these days, so what is your beef?
What Jesus would say would be more in line with the Biblical view of marriage having to do with procreation.
As for toilets, where are these "rights" enshrined? 

[Christo]

What rot! I come from a long line of construction workers and sweat shop seamstresses.

Populists are not the voters, but the authoritarian and elitist criminals that some voters put their hopes on (authoritarian power abusers, think of Mussolini, Berlusconi, Hitler and Stalin all alike) are often popular with a vulnerable part of the population, even with majorities. Re: my social background, it's more humble than yours - even my parents had no schooling - but that's no reason to despise democracy.

Elitists are moneyed intellectuals mafiosi who despise the lower classes.

corrected

[zamyrabyrd]

Populists are not the voters, but the authoritarian and elitist criminals that some voters put their hopes on (authoritarian power abusers, think of Mussolini, Berlusconi, Hitler and Stalin all alike) are often popular with a vulnerable part of the population, even with majorities. Re: my social background, it's more humble than yours - even my parents had no schooling - but that's no reason to despise democracy. corrected

Like "race" or "racism", "populist" is a dangerously ill-defined term which I would prefer not to use.
It did seem to be a good grab bag for the "deplorables" however.

From Wikipedia:
"In politics, populism refers to a range of approaches which emphasise the role of "the people" and often juxtapose this group against "the elite". There is no single definition of the term, which developed in the 19th century and has been used to mean various different things since that time. Few politicians or political groups describe themselves as "populists", and in political discourse the term is often applied to others pejoratively. Within political science and other social sciences, various different definitions of populism have been used, although some scholars propose rejecting the term altogether."

[eljr]

Anybody can marry anyone or anything these days,

depends on the state

It's OK with the fed government now.

I honestly don't care.

What I do care about is because these rights are being given, you feel victimized.

Because blacks are being accepted to colleges in order to change the cycle of poverty, resulted from slavery, you feel victimized.

because we elected a black president (this was a real blow) you feel victimized.

Then you take your self pity and vote for a monster because the monster tells you it's not your fault, you really are a victim!

This is what I really care about.

[eljr]

Like "race" or "racism", "populist" is a dangerously ill-defined term which I would prefer not to use.
It did seem to be a good grab bag for the "deplorables" however.

From Wikipedia:
"In politics, populism refers to a range of approaches which emphasise the role of "the people" and often juxtapose this group against "the elite". There is no single definition of the term, which developed in the 19th century and has been used to mean various different things since that time. Few politicians or political groups describe themselves as "populists", and in political discourse the term is often applied to others pejoratively. Within political science and other social sciences, various different definitions of populism have been used, although some scholars propose rejecting the term altogether."

Webster sees no confusion in the word, nor do I.

pop·u·list
ˈpäpyələst
noun
1.
a member or adherent of a political party seeking to represent the interests of ordinary people.
adjective
1.
relating to a populist or populists.

[zamyrabyrd]

What I do care about is because these rights are being given, you feel victimized.
Because blacks are being accepted to colleges in order to change the cycle of poverty, resulted from slavery, you feel victimized.
because we elected a black president (this was a real blow) you feel victimized.
Then you take your self pity and vote for a monster because the monster tells you it's not your fault, you really are a victim! This is what I really care about.

Complete rot! I would have voted for Ben Carson, maybe over Trump. Or Clarence Thomas had he been in the running. Obama is also half-white, if you place such importance in skin pigmentation.
I would have voted for Sarah Palin over Hillary Clinton, not because they were women because the first has integrity and the second doesn't.
Victim politics is exactly what the Democratic party has descended and panders to.
Actually, it's hard for me to believe you are a native speaker of English due to the strange mistakes you frequently make.

[The new erato]

Integrity is great, but wits is good, too.

[eljr]

Complete rot! I would have voted for Ben Carson, maybe over Trump. Or Clarence Thomas had he been in the running. Obama is also half-white, if you place such importance in skin pigmentation.
I would have voted for Sarah Palin over Hillary Clinton, not because they were women because the first has integrity and the second doesn't.
Victim politics is exactly what the Democratic party has descended and panders to.
Actually, it's hard for me to believe you are a native speaker of English due to the strange mistakes you frequently make.

sorry dudette, you see yourself as a victim instead of taking personal responsibility for a failed life.

It is what it is.

You like Sarah, the ultimate, "it's not your fault" mistress.
Of course you do.

Kid knocked up at 17 and drops out of high school, poor me.
Kid does drugs, not the parents fault, poor me.
Kid gets arrested and has to go in the service to avoid jail, poor me.
45 years old and you get knocked up, have a challenged child, poor me.

Guess what, in my world, I am responsible for all these kinds of things.

But Sarah told you it was not your fault, granted you absolution on a national stage.Why would you care if she was a dolt, she told you what you yearned to hear.

[arpeggio]

^^^
Some interesting points have just been made.

As a former conservative one of the basic tenants is that people should be responsible for their state of affairs.  I used to believe that if a person was on welfare if was because they were lazy.  Why should I, a hard working American, support these deadbeats.

I spent twenty-five years as a pensions auditor working with failed pension plans.  A company would go under and Federal Agency I worked for would take over the plan and guaranteed the retirement benefits earned by the participants earned at the time the company went bankrupt.  I have attended many meetings with these people where we explained to them what retirement benefits were guaranteed by our agencies and how they could apply for them.  It was  sobering to be in a room with one hundred hard working Americans who last their jobs and their benefits through no fault of their own.  I learned that sometimes sh*t happens.  Just because a person is down on his luck does it mean that they are losers.

Many of my fellow Americans have lost their way of life through no fault of their own and they have to blame somebody.  Of course the Democrats are not saints and they are responsible for some of the problems.  Everyday conservatives refuse to acknowledge that many of their problems have been caused be conservative philosophies.  They do not want to accept their responsibilities for their condition.  So they have to blame anybody but themselves. 

Trump has given them an easy scapegoat: Obama, liberals, Clinton and immigrants .

[eljr]

^^^
Some interesting points have just been made.

As a former conservative one of the basic tenants is that people should be responsible for their state of affairs.  I used to believe that if a person was on welfare if was because they were lazy.  Why should I, a hard working American, support these deadbeats.

I spent twenty-five years as a pensions auditor working with failed pension plans.  A company would go under and Federal Agency I worked for would take over the plan and guaranteed the retirement benefits earned by the participants earned at the time the company went bankrupt.  I have attended many meetings with these people where we explained to them what retirement benefits were guaranteed by our agencies and how they could apply for them.  It was  sobering to be in a room with one hundred hard working Americans who last their jobs and their benefits through no fault of their own.  I learned that sometimes sh*t happens.  Just because a person is down on his luck does it mean that they are losers.

Many of my fellow Americans have lost their way of life through no fault of their own and they have to blame somebody.  Of course the Democrats are not saints and they are responsible for some of the problems.  Everyday conservatives refuse to acknowledge that many of their problems have been caused be conservative philosophies.  They do not want to accept their responsibilities for their condition.  So they have to blame anybody but themselves. 

Trump has given them an easy scapegoat: Obama, liberals, Clinton and immigrants .

Great post.

Indeed, I learned much over the years too. Heck, I voted libertarian out of college. I could not understand being poor by circumstance.

Boy, did I learn.

I have seen so many hard working good people that just can't get out of the inner city.
I have seen talented folks that had no clue how to use their talent for betterment.
I leaned how the working poor pay more for common items. How they had to live with generations to afford the rent, also how they are more compassionate, much more.

[SimonNZ]

Senate confirms Brian Benczkowski, justice official who worked for Russian bank

"The Senate on Wednesday approved President Donald Trump's pick to lead the Justice Department's criminal division following a yearlong confirmation process.

Brian Benczkowski was narrowly confirmed as an assistant attorney general with a 51-48 vote. Democrats strongly opposed the nomination, partly because of his work while in private practice for a leading Russian bank. Democrats said his Russian ties could complicate special counsel Robert Mueller's ongoing investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and possible coordination with the Trump campaign."

[zamyrabyrd]

sorry dudette, you see yourself as a victim instead of taking personal responsibility for a failed life.
It is what it is.
You like Sarah, the ultimate, "it's not your fault" mistress.
Of course you do.
Kid knocked up at 17 and drops out of high school, poor me.
Kid does drugs, not the parents fault, poor me.
Kid gets arrested and has to go in the service to avoid jail, poor me.
45 years old and you get knocked up, have a challenged child, poor me.
Guess what, in my world, I am responsible for all these kinds of things.
But Sarah told you it was not your fault, granted you absolution on a national stage.Why would you care if she was a dolt, she told you what you yearned to hear.

Wrong, wrong, wrong! Sarah DID take responsbility for her parental choices. Others would have swept it under the rug. You have a freakin' nerve to impugn me with "failed life".
Prerequisites for a successful or failed life have to do with the good or bad cards one is dealt with, in other words, the amount of difficulty, physical or otherwise, a person has to surmount. In overcoming them is the glory not the actual achievements. I could give examples but for normal people this should be commonsense.
Actually YOU are the one with the victim mentality and are projecting anything you don't like in yourself on others.
Sorry, as with HRC and the Dumbercrats, I have an excellent BS detector.
This has been honed by years of experience, some of it rather dire.

[bwv 1080]

sorry dudette, you see yourself as a victim instead of taking personal responsibility for a failed life.

It is what it is.

You like Sarah, the ultimate, "it's not your fault" mistress.
Of course you do.

Kid knocked up at 17 and drops out of high school, poor me.
Kid does drugs, not the parents fault, poor me.
Kid gets arrested and has to go in the service to avoid jail, poor me.
45 years old and you get knocked up, have a challenged child, poor me.

Guess what, in my world, I am responsible for all these kinds of things.

But Sarah told you it was not your fault, granted you absolution on a national stage.Why would you care if she was a dolt, she told you what you yearned to hear.

Only an ablist bigot would suggest that having a child with downs syndrome is a mark of a failed life

[SimonNZ]

You think you have an excellent B.S. detector and you think Sarah Palin has integrity?

What would a Republican have to do to be ridiculous in your eyes (besides cooperating with the dems on some bipartisan issue, of course - that goes without saying)?

[zamyrabyrd]

Everyday conservatives refuse to acknowledge that many of their problems have been caused be conservative philosophies.  They do not want to accept their responsibilities for their condition.  So they have to blame anybody but themselves.

I don't know what "conservative philosophies" you are referring to but joining up government bureaucracies to disentangle messes that government regulations and meddling probably made in the first place is not the independent, self-sufficient mindset of those who hold traditional values. The Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae (what names!) interventions caused the disaster of 2008. It is not the free market anymore or anything resembling what you might call "conservative philosophies". Better to keep the government out, WAY OUT.

Trump has given them an easy scapegoat: Obama, liberals, Clinton and immigrants .

Lyndon Johnson's "War on Poverty" in the 60's, didn't eradicate but perpetuated it.