Coronavirus thread

[vandermolen]

Indeed, not.

As long as one is developed and is clinically-proven to eliminate this virus 100% with no chances of recurrence is all we truly can hope for. Yes, there's no rushing science, but I have confidence that at some point we'll be able to get on with our lives. It's just the waiting game that is always worrying and the delays that, no doubt, will arise.

I agree with you and nice to see you back here John.

[Mirror Image]

I agree with you and nice to see you back here John.

It's nice to you as well, Jeffrey. I'm not really listening to much classical music, but I imagine I'll swing back around to it as time progresses. I always find it musically gratifying to explore a wide range of musical genres.

[Ratliff]

Indeed, not.

As long as one is developed and is clinically-proven to eliminate this virus 100% with no chances of recurrence is all we truly can hope for. Yes, there's no rushing science, but I have confidence that at some point we'll be able to get on with our lives. It's just the waiting game that is always worrying and the delays that, no doubt, will arise.

100% is not necessary, about 75% effectiveness is sufficient. Think of it this way, with no countermeasures each person with the virus gives it to an average of 3 other people in the course of a week or so. So 1 infection results in 3 infections, each of which results in another 3, giving 3x3 = 9, then 3x3x3 = 27, etc. Geometric progression.

But suppose 75% are immune due to a vaccine. Suppose 1000 people initially have it, they will give the virus to 3000 people, but if 75% are immune only 25% of the 3000 get infected, that is 750. Then the 750 give it to 2250 people, but only 25% of the 2250 get infected, that 562, etc. The infection fizzles, rather than growing exponentially. That's "herd immunity." It's how a vaccine can end it, if a vaccine can be found (not a given).

[Mandryka]

https://lockdownsceptics.org/how-should-we-value-the-lives-of-those-most-at-risk/

So the financial benefit of keeping the lockdown in place, in terms of the monetary value of the additional years of life granted to those people who would otherwise die of the virus, is greater than £41.4 billion. But then, so is the cost of the lockdown. According to the Resolution Foundation, it could cost the Treasury as much as £40 billion every three months just to pay the wages of furloughed workers.

[prémont]

https://lockdownsceptics.org/how-should-we-value-the-lives-of-those-most-at-risk/

I think the discussion in this article is outdated.

The most important purpose of the lockdown (other than to prevent overload of the hospitals) is to slow down the epidemy in order to gain time to find a cure or a vaccine, and so far we don't know whether it is possible to obtain any efficient and sufficiently long lasting herd immunity or not (and much indicates that this isn't possible) by putting an end to the lockdown and let the virus spread freely, it will be extremely risky for the entire population (and not only for the vulnerables) to do so.

And people, who advocate opening of the society, apparently don't think they are at risk themselves. It is always easier to price others life than ones own.

[Mandryka]

Coronavirus: 'I can't wash my hands - my water was cut off'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622

[André]

Trump has a geeeeeenius idea to share: bleach the virus out of your body.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/24/disinfectant-injection-coronavirus-trump/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_mm-disinfectant-645am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans&itid=hp_hp-banner-main_mm-disinfectant-645am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

[Herman]

Or push a flashlight up your rear end, to let "the light inside your body".

So now we know how come his face is strangely orange. It's from the light within.

[greg]

That's why it's so important to have a filter. Everyone has stupid or potentially harmful ideas, just that some people actually think before they speak.

[Que]

Harvard Toxicology (@Harvard_Tox)
Please don't inject bleach or drink disinfectant.
Bleach injections cause hemolysis (where your red blood cells that carry OXYGEN break apart) and cause liver damage, and many disinfectants can cause dangerous burns or bleeding in your stomach.
This tweet IS medical advice
https://twitter.com/Harvard_Tox/status/1253626240537448450?s=20

[prémont]

....some people actually think before they speak.

Hopefully most of us do.

[vandermolen]

On a lighter note, as I've mentioned before, I've been required by the school where I work to teach 'online lessons' (what could possibly go wrong?) during the Coronavirus crisis. It's been for me (a technophobe) a very steep learning curve. I'd have never survived without amazing help from the school's IT department. My wife (a sign-language interpreter) and myself have been very careful not to disturb each other when we are working online. Well, today I was teaching my year 8 class (12 year olds) their History lesson on 'Life in Victorian Britain' when I became increasingly aware of the sound of a lot of banging and crashing from the back of the house and shouts of 'LET ME OUT OF HERE'. It transpired that the wind had blown the door shut, while my wife was doing some decorating in the bathroom (the door handles had been removed), thereby shutting her in the toilet. It is increasingly becoming a sitcom.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

On a lighter note, as I've mentioned before, I've been required by the school where I work to teach 'online lessons' (what could possibly go wrong?) during the Coronavirus crisis. It's been for me (a technophobe) a very steep learning curve. I'd have never survived without amazing help from the school's IT department. My wife (a sign-language interpreter) and myself have been very careful not to disturb each other when we are working online. Well, today I was teaching my year 8 class (12 year olds) their History lesson on 'Life in Victorian Britain' when I became increasingly aware of the sound of a lot of banging and crashing from the back of the house and shouts of 'LET ME OUT OF HERE'. It transpired that the wind had blown the door shut, while my wife was doing some decorating in the bathroom (the door handles had been removed), thereby shutting her in the toilet. It is increasingly becoming a sitcom.

  Oh, no! lol I trust that you didn't wait until the end of your lesson to let her out then?    And has your cat made any further appearances (to the delight of the students and the consternation of the teacher)?

Speaking of Victorian Britain, I ran across an article on the BBC's website about a Victorian farm; apparently, it's horses are a big hit on Twitter.  I'll see if I can find the link.  Ah, here we go:  https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-shropshire-52357499/coronavirus-shropshire-shire-horses-become-lockdown-twitter-stars  Perhaps when this is all over, you could do a field trip to the farm if it's not too far away?

PD

EDIT:  And here's their twitter account:  https://twitter.com/actonscottmuse

[vandermolen]

  Oh, no! lol I trust that you didn't wait until the end of your lesson to let her out then?    And has your cat made any further appearances (to the delight of the students and the consternation of the teacher)?

Speaking of Victorian Britain, I ran across an article on the BBC's website about a Victorian farm; apparently, it's horses are a big hit on Twitter.  I'll see if I can find the link.  Ah, here we go:  https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-shropshire-52357499/coronavirus-shropshire-shire-horses-become-lockdown-twitter-stars  Perhaps when this is all over, you could do a field trip to the farm if it's not too far away?

PD

EDIT:  And here's their twitter account:  https://twitter.com/actonscottmuse

Loved the shire horses and the donkey. Thanks PD.
No, of course I leapt up immediately as soon as I realised what was going on to release my wife from the loo. Fortunately it was during a time during the lesson when my pupils were supposed to be 'quietly' getting on with their Victorian Britain History Project. I wonder how many of them were aware of all the banging and crashing going on in the background! I had to get up from my seat, earlier in the day, to let the cat out of the room where I was working.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Loved the shire horses and the donkey. Thanks PD.
No, of course I leapt up immediately as soon as I realised what was going on to release my wife from the loo. Fortunately it was during a time during the lesson when my pupils were supposed to be 'quietly' getting on with their Victorian Britain History Project. I wonder how many of them were aware of all the banging and crashing going on in the background! I had to get up from my seat, earlier in the day, to let the cat out of the room where I was working.

Whew! 

I also ran across a program that the BBC apparently did (in various parts) about Victorian farms, etc.  Found it on youtube!  I was going to say that perhaps you could access it on the BBC's website (I can't here for obvious reasons).  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLc9JhVp9B6Crpfu7asBwJZAY87d0iCTYw  Extra credit for the class perhaps?

[vandermolen]

Whew! 

I also ran across a program that the BBC apparently did (in various parts) about Victorian farms, etc.  Found it on youtube!  I was going to say that perhaps you could access it on the BBC's website (I can't here for obvious reasons).  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLc9JhVp9B6Crpfu7asBwJZAY87d0iCTYw  Extra credit for the class perhaps?

Very many thanks PD.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Very many thanks PD.

You're welcome!  And, oopsie, I think I just found something that will be keeping me busy!  I just started watching episode 1!   

At this end, well, at least I managed to exchange my fluorescent grow lights for some LED ones on my two-tier plant stand.  I suspect that they wouldn't have had anything like this back then! 

[vandermolen]

You're welcome!  And, oopsie, I think I just found something that will be keeping me busy!  I just started watching episode 1!   

At this end, well, at least I managed to exchange my fluorescent grow lights for some LED ones on my two-tier plant stand.  I suspect that they wouldn't have had anything like this back then!

No, I'm sure you're right!

[Pohjolas Daughter]

No, I'm sure you're right!

 

[Mandryka]

Changing ideas on mechanical ventilation

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventilators-specia/special-report-as-virus-advances-doctors-rethink-rush-to-ventilate-idUSKCN2251PE